Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Hardware 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Things have shifted decisively since the analysis by Slowmover. -Splash^talk 18:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] United Hardware

This was speedy deleted as a recreation of an article previously deleted at an AfD under this title. DRV consensus judged that the recreation was substantially new, and merited undeletion. Relisting for AfD consideration was requested, so here we are. Xoloz 17:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - "fifth largest wholesaling and distribution cooperative in the hardware store industry" seems to meet notability requirement. Neutrally written. -- DS1953 ^talk 17:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. [See revised vote below]. Might be written by an insider, but it is notable. They are mentioned in the 2005 annual report of the North American Retail Hardware Association, which can be found here [1]. It's on a short list of noted companies in its category and there are only a handful of categories. The article seems to be accurate. Slowmover 20:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Monicasdude 22:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and not written by an insider. dml 23:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable corp Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 00:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
• Perhaps I'm confused, but I don't see evidence that this satisfies WP:CORP presented in the article. Multiple non-trivial published works? No. Listed on ranking indices? No. Used to calculate stock market indices? No. One listing in an industry report doesn't do it, in particular when there's nothing in the article. I'm tempted to remove the "fifth largest" line as unWP:CITEed. - brenneman^{L} 01:29, 22 March 2006
• Comment: Fifth out of how many? Just zis Guy you know? 09:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply and revised delete vote. I thought this was a good question, so I took a careful look at the report (all data for 2004). The top 10 companies in the industry represent 53% of sales and 11% of stores. United Hardware is not in the top 10 overall. It's easy to see why. The industry is grouped according to how the stores are organized: (1) publicly held DIY stores, (2) wholesale co-operatives, and (3) wholesaler merchandising groups. Group 1 is by far the largest, with Home Depot respresenting a 30% market share of the entire industry, Lowe's is 15%, and BMHC is a distant 3rd. United is in Group 2. The top 6 listed companies in this sector (Ace, Do-it-Best, True Value, Orgill, Handy Hdwre, United Hdwre) represent only a 4% market share on a combined basis, and the first 4 are MUCH bigger than the last 2. United Hdwre by itself is 1/15th of 1% of the market. So if we looked at the market as a whole, United Hdwre would probably not even get mentioned. It just happens to be 6th from the top in a segment that is only 4% of the market. So, in conclusion, United Hardware is not really notable. I'm changing my vote to a delete, on the basis of this analysis. Slowmover 15:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

• New developments indicate that the old consensus was premature. Johnleemk | Talk 16:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Slowmover. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Slowmover. Bucketsofg 17:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Slowmover, hard to argue, really. Just zis Guy you know? 22:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 02:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

*Delete per above. --Khoikhoi 02:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)<.s<

I crossed out Khoikhoi's accidental second vote above. User:Zoe|^(talk) 18:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per excellent analysis by Slowmover. User:Zoe|^(talk) 18:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per the only really informed research. Good stuff Slowmover. Proto||type 14:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Slowmover. Sandstein 12:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. We have many articles on these types of wholesale cooperatives. Alternatively could be merged to Hardware store. -- JJay 13:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.