Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ulfkeitel Couplande

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The result was delete. - Bobet 08:29, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ulfkeitel Couplande

I think this is a hoax. It was added by a user with essentially no other contributions. I can't find any hits on Google or Google Books that are not derived from Wikipedia. The source cited are 12 volumes of a book from 1892. I know a fair amount about Anglo-Scandinavian history of the period and I think I would have heard about someone who saved Canute's life twice. There was an Ulfcytel who fought at the Battle of Ashingdon - but he was on Edmund's side and he was killed in the battle. Haukur 08:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - difficult one as I suspect you may be right in that he didn't exist. Nevertheless, it may be that there is some myth that has been reported as fact in the Yorkshire Inquisitions. Should we just delete because we personally can't check the records? I've come down for delete on the basis that there aren't multiple sources, and the source cited can't be a primary source as it isn't contemporaneous. If it is deleted there are references in Coupland, Northumberland and Copeland, Cumbria that should be removed too. Yomangani^talk 12:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

  You're right, it could conceivably be a legend reported as fact rather than an outright hoax. Let's see if we can get more knowledgeable people in here. Haukur 15:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm no expert but reading the articles, Ulfkeitel Couplande saved Cnut's life in 1015 and as a reward was granted land in Cumbria. The trouble I see here is that it is widely accepted that Cumbria was Scottish until 1032. Nuttah68 21:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment One of the major problems with this is that the transliteration of Nordic names varies a lot, and as such, it could just be an unusual transliteration.-- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 02:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

  Indeed. Ulfkeitel is presumably intended as a version of Ulfkell/Úlfkell/Ulfketill/Úlfketill/Ulfcytel/Ulfcetel etc. though it isn't one I've seen before. Couplande is more difficult; it would presumably be an Anglicization of something like *Kaupland though I'm not familiar with that as a byname. Thus we might have something like "Ulfkell af Kauplandi" but that doesn't help me at all in finding anything about this purported person. Haukur 09:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I tried a few variations earlier in the week without luck. I can't find any reference to "Ulf of Yorkshire" in the Domesday Book as claimed in the article either.
• Delete The problem with verifiability. Even if is, there is no reasonable notability of the person. Mukadderat 17:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

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