Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Three coin

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A notable game, and I don't see why this doesn't deserve its own article. Sr13 00:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Three coin

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Game. Looks like a case of Wikipedia is not for things made up by idle aero engineers. Article's author seems to think that refs are unnecessary. -- RHaworth 09:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Yeah, I'd say the "probably invented by bored engineers" statement in the article is a bit of a tell. NN. Deranged bulbasaur 12:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete If it can be sourced that this is actually the new college campus fad I would vote to keep. It seem to be the current generations Liar's poker. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • If reliable sources could be cited that this is actually "played nationwide on college campuses" it might be notable. In the absence of such sources, Delete. DES (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Changing to Keep based on new sources and revisons to the article. Isn't AfD the greatest cleanup tool ever :)? DES (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. I don't know who actually invented this game, nor if it's really played a lot on college campuses, but it is the subject of a scholarly article (at least the two-player version). Reference: Benjamin L. Scwhartz. Solution of a Set of Games. The American Mathematical Monthly, vol 66, no. 8 (1959), pp. 693-701. URL (You may not be able to access the full article if you're not on a university campus/academic institution that subscribes to JSTOR, but the article exists, and the rules are described on the second page of that article and basically match those described in this Wikipedia article in the case of two players. University libraries could also have paper copies of the journal hidden away in their storage.) Craw-daddy 10:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC) P.S. I don't dispute that it might need some rewrites, however. Craw-daddy 10:29, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Please add that reference to the article. That does suggest greater notability, IMO. DES (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This is not primarily about a not-very-notable game, but about some mathematical ideas that it illustrates. Michael Hardy 00:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Hardy. This is about games as in game theory, not games as in Go Fish. (Snide remarks about John Conway and/or Elwyn Berlekamp notwithstanding.) Silly rabbit 00:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep needs work not deletion, since this discussion has started it seems that a source has been found and the offending passage has been removed.--Cronholm144 03:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC) I agree with Lambiam. (below)
  • Keep based on recent improvements. Doctormatt 01:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and for notability: How to Cheat at Everything Simon Lovell (2003), ISBN:1-56025-973-6 makes a mention of this game and also details a strategy for play in pp63-69 - as not a game of chance but skill. Obscurans 02:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Merge with Spoof (game) per below, although I am inclined to say merge spoof into the three coin article.
    • Comment: I'm also inclined to agree with the merge in that direction too. Craw-daddy 09:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC) <shrug> Okay, then merge with Spoof, but in this case I would advise removing some of the less encyclopedic comments in that article. I find the "folklore" section in the external link on the Spoof article rather dubious, as is the "competition" section and "World Spoof Championships." Having lived near and been to Kenilworth on many occasions, I doubt such a competition would qualify as a "world championship".  ;) Tournament rules for Spoof? Really??? Finally, while the Spoof article does have the Lovell book cited here, something should be integrated into the article for it to fully qualify as a reference. Craw-daddy 19:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Spoof (game), the name also used in the book referenced above (p. 63: Chapter "Spoof" starts thus: "Spoof is a very popular bar game in Europe. It is also rapidly becoming popular worldwide.")  --LambiamTalk 06:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. As to the direction of a possible merge, I see no evidence that the name "Three coin" is actually in use for this particular game. In contrast, I find plenty of Google hits for "Spoof" in this sense.  --LambiamTalk 14:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.