Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The White Room (Buffyverse)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to Wolfram and Hart. Robdurbar 09:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The White Room (Buffyverse)

The White Room (Buffyverse) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

*Delete fancruft, fails to claim notabilty, also WP:NOT a repository of rooms in a tv show KnightLago 03:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge to Wolfram and Hart instead per FrozenPurpleCube per Otto4711. KnightLago 18:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Whataya mean, "per FrozenPurpleCube"? It was my idea! Otto4711 20:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable cruft. - Aagtbdfoua 04:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and expand as a notable location in multiple episodes of Angel. Otto4711 05:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Merge to Wolfram and Hart per Otto4711 below. Otto4711 20:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge into Angel (TV series) unless multiple non-trivial third party sources can be found - Wikipedia Guidlines, WP:CITE WP:NOTE and WP:VERIFY are very clear on what is required for an article. -- wtfunkymonkey 05:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete in its present state, I see nothing that can explain its notability. MaxSem 08:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - non-notable fancruft. WP:WTH applies. MER-C 08:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Angel (TV series)#Setting. Google books shows some sources that an enterprising editor may wish to use, and the editors may want to think about creating a page for the settings of Angel. However, at this point, there isn't enough material to justify a separate page. See WP:Article series: "Don't split a medium length article into a series of stubs unless more information can be added, and the sub articles become a reasonable length." TheronJ 15:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Update: I think merging to Wolfram and Hart or Senior Partners would also be fine, but in any case, merge. TheronJ 14:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Actually if it's merged anywhere it should probably be to Wolfram and Hart. The setting section is not about specific locales within the series. The White Room is accessed through the Wolfram and Hart office building so that's the more logical place. Otto4711 17:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Delete Merge to Main Buffy Article Non-notable fancruft. and delete merge Wolfram and Hart while we are at it.--Nick Y. 22:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

• That someone would suggest deleting an article on the major antagonist of a notable series leads me to discount that person's opinion completely. Otto4711 14:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• I don't see why either of these need their own article. It should be covered in the main article. I understand some sub articles such as for a list of episodes or I might even give you a list of characters; however I am of the (sane and thoughtful) opinion that not every fictional entity and room in a notable show is necessarily notable independently of the show. There are many characters or entities that are, such as Darth Vader, Mario, Willy Wonka, Guy Montag or Mordor because they have entered into main stream popular culture. These article deal with subjects that are exclusively for fans and are not in common use outside of the fan base. Please give me an example of use of "The white room" or "Wolfram and Hart" in a context not having directly to do with the show and I will change my mind. Fictional characters and organizations can be culturally and historically significant these two are not. The show is, although not in a major way.--Nick Y. 23:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• "Used in a context not having directly to do with the show" is not the standard for includion in Wikipedia. Also, it's pretty clear that you have little understanding of the topic (since you're suggesting merging W&H to the Buffy article when W&H never figured in that series) so with all due respect your opinion isn't one that I hope anyone takes for guidance in this matter. Otto4711 01:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• All articles must assert and support notability. The first line of WP:N is "A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject itself and each other."--Nick Y. 21:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Good to know that you've read WP:N. That means you won't ever throw out lines like "find me a use not having to do directly with the show" again since that's not at all the standard. Otto4711 23:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What I am saying is that I do not believe that "The White Room" or "Wolfram and Hart" have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works from sources that are reliable and independent of the subject itself and each other. They do not appear as subjects of articles and certainly not independently of Buffy the Vampire Slayer or the marketing engine behind the show. While buffy the vampire slayer is notable, these are not as independent subjects. Darth Vader is notable on it's own despite being a character within a movie. There are thousand or jokes, stories, allusions to etc. regarding Darth Vader that meets this criteria. I recognize that you may disagree but my position is not ridiculous or ill informed.--Nick Y. 07:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Merge to Wolfram and Hart. And if anybody wants it deleted, please explain why a major feature through out 5 seasons of a television series including being the focus of the last season should be deleted. FrozenPurpleCube 16:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Wolfram and Hart. This location does not need its own article since it had much less screen-time than the other Buffyverse locations with their own articles. - Buffyverse 04:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.