Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Gomers

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, though major cleanup is needed. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-05 09:43Z

[edit] The Gomers

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Band with some local notability that fails central criteria of WP:MUSIC. There are some real WP:COI issues here as well - the article is apparently autobiographical (this account is a sock of the page's creator and is a member of the band). A lot of sources are given, but nearly all are either trivial mentions, self-published, or original research. Most of the notabilty claim seems to be built on a slender thread of secondhand connections with other groups that were notable in some way. RJASE1 Talk 14:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Very Weak Delete - long list of sources, but as the nominator says, some of them seem to be trivial mentions, self-published, or in some cases primary sources (e.g. pictures). Leaving aside the COI issues, it doesn't provide evidence of meeting the central notability criterion of WP:BAND, i.e. multiple non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources. That doesn't necessarily make the band non-notable, but delete unless additional sources are added by the end of the AfD. Walton Vivat Regina! 15:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello - re: self-published references - I thought the Dr. Demento documentation, or the first (4) references, might be enough to show notability as those are national sources... I would contest there are multiple non-trivial mentions as the group has several notable ties that have been well-documented... The Fripp/Belew/Siggi/Bradley Fish connections all adhere to the wiki convention of notability if members have gone on to major notable projects...

please tell me if more sources are needed for this ? Will attempt to delete anything self-published...

--Debsuls 16:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed some of the self-published references and notes.

I still put forth that even without the Fripp/Belew/Siggi connection (which has to be notable and is well documented in various non-trivial sources) - member Dave Adler performs with and produces the Willy Porter band (well documented) and also the Richard Cheese/ Adler connection seemed strong. Both Cheese & Porter have gone on to international success and are wiki'd...

--Debsuls 16:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

added Gomers member Steve Burke's recording work w. Eugene Chadbourne on Killdeer Records' Country Protest Anew in 2003. Eugene is a well-known international performing artist --Debsuls 17:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

added several more reliable sources citing the band's work w. Gen Jereb (international sensory therapist) on her four albums that support challenges associated with Autism, ADHD, Learning and Behavioral Disorders, and a couple more verifiable sources to strengthen the Willy Porter cross connections. also added a reference to the Biff discography, which shows work and associations beyond the scope of the Gomers article[1]

from the article: The Gomers backed up Jen Gereb on her album for autistic & sensory-challenged children titled Cool Bananas which was released in the USA and Australia. No Worries, Say G’day and Jumpin’ Jellybeans also featured Gomers Dave Adler, Steve Burke, Gordon Ranney and Biff as instrumentalists.[2][3] --Debsuls 20:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Intensely Strong Keep per massive amount of references (i.e., multiple, non-trivial coverage). The city of Madison has dedicated a day to them. -- Black Falcon 04:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

- added Westwood One link, the largest radio company in the world, to the Dr. Demento playlist references. Hopefully this will show the non-trivial and verifiable nature of these playlists, as the Dr. Demento show is syndicated and distributed throughout the USA, USVI and other international markets, like Jamaica, via Westwood One's massive radio network.

added newfound non-trivial, verifiable and reliable evidence showing Dave Adler as keyboardist Bobby Ricotta with Richard Cheese, to whit: Dave Adler, The Gomers' music director, was pianist/keyboardist Bobby Ricotta for Richard Cheese on Lounge Against the Machine's first 2 releases Lounge Against the Machine and Tuxicity[4][5]

--Debsuls 18:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

added the Subgenius connection w. multiple non-trivial sources: Rev. Ivan Stang from the Church of the Subgenius collaberated with The Gomers on his 1999 release, Live at Starwood from the Starwood Festival on the song Pain Stain 2K. [6][7][8] The band has also appeared on the Hour Of Slack several times.[9][10][11] --Debsuls 22:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Intensely Strong Keep - I agree w. Black Falcon --Debsuls 04:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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