Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Susan Myrtetus Lorentzen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sr13 07:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Susan Myrtetus Lorentzen

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Non notable author, one self published book, no sources. Sorted as part of WP:WPNN. Daniel J. Leivick 02:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, the book has ~600 Google hits and she has only ~200. No sources, no assertion of notability. Why does it mention that her father was an architect? Seems like filler to make the article bigger. Useight 02:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Self-published (with a co-author) = non-notable author. Acroterion _(talk) 03:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete no sources and not notable author. Oysterguitarist 03:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - the book actually has only 61 Ghits once you specify "Down over Normandy" Myrtetus. Article created by Adam22z (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) - Adam Lorentzen. No relation, I'm sure. Gordonofcartoon 03:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. This line is quite telling: "She is best-known for her book, Down Over Normandy, a novel about her deceased uncle, John Myrtetus, who was killed in World War II." We have had a recent spate of non-notable, unpublished "writers" who have vandalized articles here by including "information" about unpublished--and as far as we can tell, unpublishable--book manuscripts about their non-notable or barely notable grandparents. We've got to draw the line in the sand here and make sure Wikipedia isn't turned into a repository for unpublishable personal family memoirs that are not actual books by any stretch of the imagination. These vanity vandals must be stopped. Qworty 04:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. One book printed in 500 copies [1] with no significant reviews does not constitute notability. She needs removing from the list of notable residents of Collingswood, New Jersey as well. Espresso Addict 06:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, though I can't quite see the reason to get emotionally involved over it.DGG (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Book and author do appear at Amazon [2]. However general guidelines indicate that an author should have either multiple works or one particularly notable work to be notable in themselves. Pedro |  Chat  08:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment. If you take a look at the official Wikipedia policy for book notability, you'll see that an Amazon page in and of itself does not confer notability for our purposes here, as any self-published (like this one) or vanity-published book will have an Amazon page. Self-published books are not notable under Wikipedia book policy. This article fails as a direct violation of that policy. Qworty 17:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply Hi Qworty. Not true - not all self published books appear at Amazon as indeed not all books published by a publishing house will appear there either. It depends on what Amazon want to sell! However it was just a note. I agree with you on the non-notability as per my comment above - multiple works reviewwed by non-trivial multiple reviewers is a guideline for notability on books and then (though not definately) by extension the author. We haven't got that here so Delete.Pedro |  Chat  19:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Delete as I agree with the above, but think Amazon and numbers of Ghits ought to count for something. Bearian 19:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Another self-published author with no notability or outside reviews to back up the work. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Having a self-published book on Amazon and a father who was an architect does not automatically make one notable. Bart133 ^{(t) (c)} 23:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
• Note to closing admin: please delete Susan Lorentzen (direct link) and Susan Myrtetus (direct link) as CSD R1 redirects to deleted pages, if the article considered here is deleted. This is per two 19 July 2007 RfDs that were prematurely trying to do this. BigNate37_(T) 15:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that was my fault. I started the procedures when it became clear the AFD was shaping up as Delete; I didn't expect the closure to take so long. Gordonofcartoon 01:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.