Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stuart Browning

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WjBscribe 01:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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The only references I can find on Stuart are the 4 opinion pieces he has written, with two newspapers copying/publishing reprints and a couple of short videos which are essentially youtube quality productions. GaryLambda 18:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Has an IMDB entry and has been covered in the National Review, Weekly Standard, New York Sun, and Health Care News. Also by the left-wing Working for Change. 1880 Ghits for "Stuart Browning" + documentary. National radio coverage and national television coverage. He's a thinktank fellow with more publicity than another thinktank fellow who's getting a "Keep" !vote. The article has substantially more sourcing than most film-producer articles in Wikipedia. THF 18:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Mr Browning's current notability seems to stem mostly from his complaints about the number of uninsured in America and his short videos about poor care in Canada by the Canadian health care system. If the movie Sicko didn't exist, Mr. Brownings opinions would be just more net blog stuff. Those opposed to a single payer system have been looking for an advocate of the private insurance business and found Mr. Stuart. My issue with Mr. Stuart, is that what he has actually done is a very small part in this. He articles have been copied by the noted references above but not by the mainstream media. Is a single issue person who finances some short videos which only appear on his own site justify notability? In addition the lack of other biographical data makes this article a candidate for deletion. I did find a dead web reference to a purchase of a home in the Miami area, but that's it. Trolling the google/groups page came up with only a few emails promoting his product and a few questions directed to the Oracle team for database access questions. No innovation, nor any unique insights. Ted Franks has become notable from a similar controversy, yet there is quite a bit more material which is independent of the healthcare discussion. GaryLambda 19:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not true that Browning is only noted for healthcare film work (though that would be enough to satisfy WP:BIO) -- 733 Ghits for "Stuart Browning" + Indoctrinate, his movie about education. THF 19:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. I am very curious about this anon remark (and this one), which are made by the same anon who brought the AFD (and who appears to be GaryLambda), and seems to express a position opposite to that of the nomination. Given the obvious notability of the subject, I have to wonder what WP:GAME is being played that the same user who did not want the pages merged now wants the resulting combined merged page deleted. But it is entirely possible that there is a good-faith explanation for these actions that I do not immediately notice. THF 19:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No Game. I made an honest attempt to flesh out the article, without signing in, because I don't really care if I mark my edits or not. I did notice that [[User:THF] created the page but there was a dearth of actual information about Mr. Browning other than his production of the health care videos. If User:THF or someone else can find more things notable about Mr. Browning I'll gladly withdraw my request for deletion. But I couldn't as you can see from the number of edits, and the time intervals between them (spent researching) there isn't much available material. Therefore my request for deletion should be based on the content of the article. Please show that he meets the notability requirement, I've done my best to meet that standard and failed. GaryLambda 20:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Note that this article was previous nominated for deletion. [[1]] and the nomination was removed by [[User::THF]] after a minimal addition and re-work. GaryLambda 20:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. I'll assume good faith that GaryLambda does not actually know the difference between a prod and an AFD, and thus made an honest mistake when he falsely said that the "article was previous nominated for deletion" and that I removed the notice. Lambda also doesn't explain his motives for arguing that the unmerged Uninsured in America article satisfied notability by itself and is now arguing that the merged article is no longer notable. THF 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

At the time I thought I would find more information about Mr. Browning and therefore thought that the deletion of his film page was premature. Now that I realize that the films are essentially home made videos, I agree that it should have been merged into the main page. However the current status of the page on the films is immaterial to whether there is sufficient information on the main page for it to remain. I have made an honest attempt to flesh it out with anything relevent to the life and times of Mr. Browning. The result is the current page, which I still contend is insufficient to remain on wikipedia. Apologies for the confusion in the previous comment. GaryLambda 22:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

One other minor nit, in the sentence above, nowhere does the wording "ADF" or "prod" exist. The statement "proposed for deletion" can refer to either AFD, or "prod", as the effect is the same. The obvious difference is that with "prod" no discussion is required. But in both cases, the compliant is a lack of content. But that is a total side issue to whether current article can stand on its own. GaryLambda 23:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Notable as founder of Embarcadero, as well as film and other creative activities. Here are some additional sources I found from New York Sun, Chronicle of Higher Education, University Wire, Irish Independent, Wall Street Journal, and Data Based Advisor. - Crockspot 15:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hmmm... if kept, this article needs a rewrite and a serious de-WP:COATRACKing. MastCell ^Talk 22:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Since nomination for deletion there have been no additions made to this article. It is as you say a coat rack article for the health care issues and not a biography of Stuart Browning, an otherwise unnotable person. (sorry forgot the sig... 207.171.180.101 21:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)) 207.171.180.101 21:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep at least as notable as Ted Frank --Tbeatty 06:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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