Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stick game

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete per consensus of established editors. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. No reliable published sources have been provided. --Coredesat 04:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stick game

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This page was a redirect to Hand game. Now it is an article about a game made up a couple of years ago. Sounds fun and all, but likely a game made up by a group of friends and as of yet non-notable. No leagues or anything like that from what I can tell. Reminds me a little of the debate over Intense frisbee from a few years ago. —Gaff ταλκ 17:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

From my talk page:

Gaff,

The stick game league is indeed a real league and game that is run out of a fitness gym in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts. I created the page simply to inform people of the game and to promote it as a great game to play. I do not think it should get deleted because it is an informative page. The Stick Game league is trying to go mainstream and is in the proccess of trying to gain sponsers. I worked hard on creating this page and it would be a great disappointment if it were deleted
Thank you
Daga237 18:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I sympathize with the creator's intentions, but Wikipedia is not for things made up in the gym one day. Such a game would better be "promoted" on a private website; probably that of the gym itself would be most appropriate. If the game gains popularity and eventually fulfills the notability guidelines, then this page could be recreated. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 19:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not just NFT, more an hoax with all this Marat stuff. -- RHaworth 21:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Its not a hoax. it is a name given to something in the sport. from my understanding, the creator of a sport may name certain aspects of the sport whatever he chooses. One of the founders of Stick game believes he is a direct descendent of Jean Paul Marat so we decided to name something in his honor. Sounds crazy i know but its true. Plus, who is this hurting by keeping the page on here? Its informing people of a sport and helping the already informed make it more widely played for the benefit of the game. To delete this would be a giant blow to Shrewsbury Health and Athletic complex as well as the creators and already supporters of stick game.Daga237 03:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. It may be real, but it has no reliable sources. Unfortunately, the only arguments you give to keep it, Daga237, seem to be ones covered in Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, namely: "I like it", "It's useful / interesting", "It doesn't do any harm", and "Fame in x" (where x here is Shrewsbury). Please read these guidelines, as well as Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Notability, which are the other issues that push the delete comments. Confusing Manifestation 04:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I was bored one night just browsing through wikipedia and I came across this little page. I feel that it would be against the civil liberties of the creators. I am from west of Boston as well and if more information were given, I would try to get my kids involved in such a game or even myself (depending on the level of play). Theres no real reason to get rid of this article and it would be completely unfair to the creators and participents of this sport if you were to do so. -Sweetness— 76.19.215.244 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 04:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep Stick game should be kept on Wiki. Wiki is all-knowing and removing the Stick Game page would thus deny the Wiki of its right to know all. Free the Wiki. Go Tribe! -Tito— 141.154.70.98 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 17:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep I am an employee of the Webster Recreational Fitness Center where stick game has become very prominent during our Winter Stick Game Jamborees, which we hosted every Sunday night starting December 17, 2006 until March 11, 2007. After rigorous tryouts we finally chose the four best players to represent the Webster Recreational Fitness Center who challenged the Uxbridge Healthty Lifestyles Complex and Quinebaug Strength and Fitness Center. The jamborees were a major success drawing enormous crowds every week and became so popular that nearby Nichols College in Dudley, Massachusetts adopted stick game as an intramural sport. It would be an unspeakable shame to crush recognition for an upcoming sport with such a bright future. -Laurel F. — 65.78.13.238 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 18:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Comment to Sweetness, Tito, Daga237, and Laurel F: Unfortunately, as fun as your sport sounds, it is not yet verifiable from third party sources that it even exists. This is a big sticking point on wikipedia. Since you are all newcomers, it may not have occurred to you that we recieve thousands of new articles every day. Even though wikipedia is sometimes mocked in the media, there actually are standards here and a lot of editors working hard on a volunteer basis to maintain the project.—Gaff ταλκ 20:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Response to the editors: we have documented video from a year or 2 ago of a pickup game of stick. If that doesnt satisfy your disbelief that it doesnt exist then i dont know what to tell you because, as it is in its early stages, there are not many other "verifiable" sources i can provide you with. But, just because i have a small amount or verifiable sources doent mean it is not a real thing. Daga237 21:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • P.S. one of your "hard working" editors above used an arguement that wikipedia has deemed "avoidable" so his status as a credible editor has been lost in my eyes.Daga237 21:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply There is a saying around here that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Your sport may grow into the next big thing, at which point Wikipedia will absolutely have room for an article about it. However, even you recognize a struggle to prove it exists, much less that it is in any way notable. It may surprise you, but there are guidlines about these things already in Wikipedia. By your own statements just given, however, this article is not a keeper. —Gaff ταλκ 22:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Source-[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daga237 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 31 May 2007
    • Comment. Unfortunately, this source qualifies as a primary source. Whenever possible, Wikipedia articles should rely on reliable secondary sources. YouTube is also not necessarily reliable (anyone can pretty much upload anything), and this video, while it may establish the primary existence of the sport, does nothing to address the concerns raised about the sport's notability qualifications for a Wikipedia article. ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 04:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.