Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space4k

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - brenneman 03:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Space4k

Apparently non-notable browser game per WP:WEB/WP:SOFTWARE, text reads like a game guide. There is an older version that doesn't, but it's old, with hardly any info. But in any case, I don't think there are any reliable sources out there on this topic: I found a whole buttload of ghits, mostly forums. Alexa rank is around 155K, which is low for something like this (wouldn't the constant connection generate an artificially high rank?) Mangojuicetalk 00:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


  • Keep Space4k is a game played by thousands of people across the world on the .com server alone. With the Italian and German servers taken into account there are tens of thousands of players world-wide... is that not notable? The article is useful for new players to the game or potential players. Adding a guide as to what each menu does and the purpose of them would make the article a great deal better, but a lack of that hardly means it should be deleted. All of the information posted in the article, at least the information posted by Siesatia, can be verified in either the game itself or on the Official Space4k Forums maintained and operated by Gameforge staff. There are a great many different forums floating around that are Space4k related, but the only official one supported by Gameforge is at http://board.space4k.com. Siesatia has done a great job keeping this article informative and repairing damage from vandals. If he needs help adding a more comprehensive player's guide then I would be happy to aid him in that. Ranks in Space4k are not effected by people clicking or connecting with links, so artifical gains can not be made through use of this article or anything like it. Typhonous 00:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Oops, I posted this in the wrong area. Siesatia 04:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
KeepI think this game should be given the benifit of the doubt. Hell, even the menu for the McDonalds is listed on Wikipedia and this has somewhat more importance than that. I don't think we should go with Alexa, the way they collect data doesn't give me a good feeling. Just let it stay, Daimanta 08:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Keep. I'm starting to get a bit dispirited at alot of these deletion proposals... this is game is certainly notable, just becuase its not physically 'there' like some of the trash which is included, doesn't mean it shouldnt have an entry. Even more frustrating, is theres no way to know when these rather random deletion proposals are are even made without spending hours on WP daily... Bjrobinson 22:20, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be an independent party, so I will ask: why is this game notable? And does your concept of notability fit either WP:WEB or WP:SOFTWARE, and if not, why should this be in a different class? Mangojuicetalk 23:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No independent reliable sources, so notability issues are not unfounded. Existence is not sufficient for inclusion, as has been well-established. Will change my !vote if independent sources are provided -- have any gaming magazines reviewed or written about the game, for instance? Shimeru 21:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl (talk) 00:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep However, it reads like a guide and needs a lot of work. mrholybrain's talk 02:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete non-notable software. Inkpaduta 03:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for the same general feelings expressed by Bjrobinson. Mathmo Talk 04:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete unless sources are found to make the article meet WP:V. Nuttah68 10:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, but revert it back to a state before it started looking like a game guide. Lankiveil 12:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
  • Comment -- can any of the keep voters please explain how this is notable, beyond just a preference? I really can't figure it out. I went through all the unique Ghits in English that excluded the words "forum", "blog", and "Wikipedia", and all it came up with were official websites of the game. In other words, there are no reliable sources, unless they aren't in English or aren't on the Web. See for yourselves: [1] Mangojuicetalk 13:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Simply look at the Ogame page, there are no sources and the references are all going to the official pages of the Ogame owners, yet there is no controversy about that. Consistency is an important point in this. Daimanta 17:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.gameforge.de/space4k/24,0,0,0,2.html This is a purely online game, there is no printed material for it. There are websites devoted to tips, strategies, and offering tools to aid in the playing of this game. It is played world-wide by tens of thousands of people. http://www.space4k.info/ Runescape, Ogame, etc are all online games with no more "notability" then Space4k. Typhonous 05:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Those sites are not independent of the game; they're official sites, so we can't use them as sources. RuneScape has sources attesting to a much higher level of use than "tens of thousands thousands" of players -- one says over 9 million. Ogame: it's not in better shape than this one, but inclusion is not an indication of notability. Tens of thousands of users doesn't sound that high for this kind of a thing, and in any case, I would want independent verification. Mangojuicetalk 16:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:SOFTWARE, no sources for notability, had a look on google and found none. QuagmireDog 23:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.