Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simpletones

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If content is needed to be merged let me know. W.marsh 19:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simpletones

Contested prod, reason can be found on the talk page of the article. Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. MER-C 12:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Addhoc 12:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
• WP:MUSIC itself says that This page gives some rough guidelines, and I think the author's assertion on the talk page that almost any avantgarde jazz from a small country like Belgium will, by its nature, almost never meet these requirements even though these bands can be influential as part of the jazz scene makes sense. Surely WP:MUSIC is to avoid thousands of articles on completely NN "Three Blokes In A Pub"-type bands? I'd be happier if some of the musicians mentioned already had verifiable articles, though, hence Weak Keep Tonywalton  | Talk 12:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment should we consider move to Jazz in Belgium? Addhoc 12:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The author mentions on the article's talk page that they're considering something like that. I suspect (and not being an expert on Belgium, jazz or avant-garde I'm not sure) that Jazz in Belgium might be too broad a term as this seems to be a specific form of avant-garde jazz. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Gotta disagree with the assertion that WP:MUSIC makes it difficult for Belgian bands to merit inclusion. A nationwide tour of Belgium could be accomplished in one day (one of the reasons that I've never liked a nationwide tour as being acceptable grounds for inclusion). ergot 15:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, yields plenty of hits on search engines. Smeelgova 04:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC).
• Hi, thanks for the suggestions. I agree that I need to add more articles of some of the musicians, but the problem is that many of those articles will only link to other bands they've played in. A page on Jazz in Belgium isn't something I could produce because I only know about avantgarde jazz, not mainstream. The Belgian music scene is very complicated, and bands don't stick to specific genres at all. I'll try to add more information, based on my own (out-of-date) website, but it's difficult to be verifiable in this kind of things. Maybe I should write a general article first? Svanimpe 20:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment the problem with basing it on your own website is that that may not be verifiable and your website may not count as a reliable source. Verifiability is an absolute criterion for inclusion on Wikipedia. A general article sounds like a good idea in any case. Tonywalton  | Talk 13:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Move to Avant-garde jazz in Belgium. Addhoc 17:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, KrakatoaKatie 03:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, I cannot endorse a move to a general article that does not exist yet. I think the answer to the question above is that if an avante-garde jazz group from a small country is influential in the world of jazz, that will have an impact in terms of reliable sources writing about it. I don't see why an avante-garde jazz group from a small country is different from, say, an avante-garde rock group from a small US state, for instance, but nobody would suggest that the US state is suffering some sort of discrimination against its music. --Dhartung | Talk 06:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unverifiable and fails WP:Music. I suspect their release was self-produced. Eusebeus 09:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: Band vanity, with no verification. If they're real and have a big effect on the world, then it is the duty of the authors to verify this. Their ability to protest the prod and the vote, but not to satisfy our requirements, looks like just another case of hoaxing or vanity. Geogre 13:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: One probable reason for high number of hits is band using a prior, commercially released band's name : The Simpletones, a California group released on Posh Boy Records beginning in 1978 and with recordings contained in compilations released on other labels in multiple countries. One of the group's songs "I Have A Date" written by Jay Lansford has been re-recorded by The Vandals released on Kung Fu Records, featured in a Warner Brothers film "Trojan War", another song "California" (Jay Lansford) by the cast of the TV show "The O.C.". Members of the 1978 Simpletones went on to become members of a myriad of commercially released groups, released on both major and indie labels. Robbie Fields

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.