Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seburo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. People seem willing to clean this up and add refs.. John Reaves (talk) 11:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seburo

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This article fails to meet the criterion "The subject of the article is also the subject of multiple independent non-trivial published works. Masamune Shirow has been the only referenced source in this article, who was also the creator of the imaginary small-arms manufacturer. For these reasons, I am requesting that this article be deleted. ~ Magnus animum _{(aka Steptrip)} 16:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete The nominator is undoubtedly correct that nobody outside the manga universe is likely to have said anything on the subject. The problem is that you can take this argument to an extreme - after all, Quidditch is arguably not relevant outside the Harry Potter universe, though external sources have mentioned it. I hope an expert on the subject can clarify the notability issue. YechielMan 02:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
• Week keep per the Quidditch comparison, as the article covers a topic which appears in just about all the incarnations of the Ghost in the Shell franchise. Anville 16:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I call your attention to the two external links, which are non-shirow references. 'Seburo' has a suprisingly large presence outside of Shirow's universe, including game mods, Shadowrun. and most notably Second life. I don't really want to try the Pokemon defense on this and I'm trying to avoid WP:ILIKEIT, but I think the broad adoption of Seburo makes it more notable than Quidditch, and notable enough to survive the AfD -- at least on these grounds. The external references seem sufficient to assert notability as per WP:FICT. --Mdwyer 19:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

• By all means, place those references in the corresponding section in the article. If those works would have been included in it at the time I nommed the article, I probably wouldn't have (if the sources were reliable and in English, that is). ~ Magnus animum _{(aka Steptrip)} 00:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• I'm embarassed to say that I don't know how to do references correctly, and haven't taken the time to learn, yet. I try to figure it out tonight. --Mdwyer 19:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WjBscribe 00:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

• comment I'd be willing to help with adding refs if they exist, though I must admit I'm an avid shadowrun fan and I'm not sure where the reference is, excepting its use as a Japanese name (Suburo Renraku, founder of Renraku Computer Systems in the game if I recall correctly). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wintermut3 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

• Keep WP:Anime covers things such as this. It is also a notable article. Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť^(Talk) 22:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because it's under the scope of a wikiproject is hardly reason to keep the article. As to your asertion of notability? Why exactly do you think that? I must admit I'm unconvinced by such references as "clearly influenced" (clear to whom? is the verifiable?) Wintermut3 07:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.