Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Novum

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per WP:BLP, but with no prejudice against recreation. ---J.S (T/C) 03:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Novum

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Found while clearing out CAT:CSD. Deletion reason was -- Nothing cited. Google returns zero hits for this name. This is not a valid speedy deletion reason. Therefore I nominated this to afd. Opinions on what to do with this? No Stance —— Eagle (ask me for help) 18:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete - Australia hasn't had the death penalty since '67, so he couldn't have been hung. Fake! Fake! WLU 18:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - This is biggest load of crap I ever heard. There are no sources and the article was clearly made up as the writer went along. Hell this should have been speedy deleted. Debaser23 19:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment - speedy is not out of the picture, I simply nominated as it did not appear to be a simple speedy delete to me. (I have done over 1200 CAT:CSD deletions in the last few days) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Doesn't qualify as WP:Nonsense, and WP:HOAX isn't a valid speedy criteria. However, author is a single purpose account, so I'd {{db-test}} it if you want to get it over with. --DeLarge 22:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Obvious fiction. There must surely be at least one {{speedy}} category that it drops into?--Anthony.bradbury 23:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral for now. Assuming the reference to London slums, Alfred Deakin and execution by hanging make the date of birth simply a typo of 1876 instead of 1976, this is not completely infeasible. I don't think calls for speedy deletion are appropriate until it can be shown that the reference provided is false, and this individual did not exist. OK, it's unlikely: Deakin worked as a journalist despite being a qualified lawyer, and there is no mention on Google despite being an apparently infamous serial killer. I'll do a bit more research into it. --Canley 23:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Canley 23:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete I put the speedy tag on this. It seemed like such an obvious hoax, so obvious that I highly doubted an AfD would have anything other than a barrage of "delete" votes. IrishGuy talk 00:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

*Move to Fredrick Bayley Deeming. At first I though this to be a hoax, but some quick research reveals an identical story for Deeming. See this [1] and this [2] (about two thirds of the way down). Teiresias84 00:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Wow, well done, good research! Maybe this is just an attack/hoax page built around a real story. --Canley 00:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Hats off for finding that, but I'm not going to change my vote, my primary motivation being that I reckon it's a WP:Copyvio (although I have no direct evidence, just a gut feeling from reading the reference at the bottom). Also -- and I suppose I'd need a count of other 19th century Anglo-Australian serial killer articles to be sure -- the fact that there isn't an article under the guy's correct name suggests he might not meet our notability criteria? --DeLarge 02:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

:::*Having googled Frederick Deeming more reliable sources have turned up - notabily this one [3] and this one[4]. I think these sources confirm his (Deeming that is, not "Novum") notabilty. The article of course needs to be wikified as well, and if we end up moving the article it will probably be re-written sufficently (by me probably) that it wouldn't be a copyvio anyway. Teiresias84 07:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete A search of reliable sources available through the public library system comes up with nothing on this guy. The Australian Dictionary of Biography (ADB) Online comes up with nothing on him. [5] Alfred Deakin's biography on the ODB states that he had a "near-briefless career" before switching to journalism so it doesn't seem that Deakin defended him. [6] There are severe verifiability problems with this article. Capitalistroadster 03:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

:*Good point, clearly "Scott Norum" doesn't exist, but Deeming does an Deakin's ADB page mentions him and Deeming himself also has ADB page [7].Teiresias84 07:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete Attack page. I stand by what I wrote above but I have changed my position. While clearly this about Frederick Deeming, who needs an article, this should be deleted as it uses facts from Deeming's life to attack another person. Delete this, and we;ll start afresh with a new article for Deeming. Regards to Capitalistroadster and Canley for pointing various things out. Teiresias84 09:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.