Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SEAL Consulting, Inc.

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Consensus here is for deletion.. Mercury 12:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SEAL Consulting, Inc.

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Non-notable corporation. Written as an advertisement. This page was speedily deleted earlier today for copyright violation when the entire page was cut an pasted from the company's website. The following is the text (now deleted by the user) from the author's talk page, User talk:CHRISJ231:

-==Copyright problems==
- Hello. Concerning your contribution, SEAL Consulting, Inc., we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material without the permission of the author. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.sealconsult.com/pages/about.htm. As a copyright violation, SEAL Consulting, Inc. appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. SEAL Consulting, Inc. has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.
- - If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following: -
- :*If you have permission from the author, leave a message explaining the details at Talk:SEAL Consulting, Inc. and send an email with the message to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for instructions. - :*If a note on the original website states that re-use is permitted under the GFDL or released into the public domain leave a note at Talk:SEAL Consulting, Inc. with a link to where we can find that note.
- :*If you own the copyright to the material: send an e-mail from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org or a postal message to the Wikimedia Foundation permitting re-use under the GFDL, and note that you have done so on Talk:SEAL Consulting, Inc.. -
- However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Toddstreat1 16:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

-==Copyright Violation==
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Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder, as you did to SEAL Consulting, Inc.. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Toddstreat1 16:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The current version only has press releases and the company's and its partner's website as sources.

No reliable sources found to establish notability Toddstreat1 22:16, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I was considering a G11 speedy earlier, but erred on the side of keep and tagged it with advertising and reference concerns. Considering the actions of the original contributor now, it is apparent it is only here for promotional reasons. Marasmusine 08:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

• Additional info: author is a SPA with no other edits (other than removing warnings from his own talk), possible COI. I've asked if he/she's an employee, but no response yet.Toddstreat1 23:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, looks like self-promotion. --John 03:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• 'I don't see the difference between this entry and entries for other companies. Also, please explain what "No reliable sources found to establish notability" and "Considering the actions of the original contributor now" means? To answer the question asked, yes I am a short time employee however I have been a customer for many years and this gives me a better insight and knowledge to provide a fair and balanced view.' -- CHRISJ231

• 'I have also started to add other edits...please give me a chance, I signed up less than a week ago !!' -- CHRISJ231

• Delete. History reads like a marketing brochure. The rest of it sounds like something written by their talking head. IF there was anything significant about the company, it wasn't mentioned in the article, or the first 40 Google hits I scanned.jonathon 06:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletions. -- Gavin Collins 07:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, strongly: a SAP® Services Partner providing System Integration, Implementation and Business Assessment Services. Words fail them, apparently, when describing what they actually do. Yet another computer related consulting firm using Wikipedia for self-promotion. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment 'wording has been changed as requested above by "Ihcoyc" -- CHRISJ231 —Preceding comment was added at 16:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment 'added significant information as requested by "Pseudo daosit", i.e one of the world's largest resource pools for xMII software, an SAP product -- CHRISJ231 —Preceding comment was added at 17:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: None of the references provided in the article meet that criteria of sources that appear in reliable, third-party publications. All of the /*References*/ are press releases and the /*Other sources*/ #1 & 2 are as well. /*Other sources*/#3 is a company-written article, submitted to a trade magazine - hardly independent. Articles from Business Wire are press releases. See Wp:reliable#What_is_a_reliable_source.3F and Wikipedia:Independent sources.

Toddstreat1 01:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: My apologies, this is a little new to me and I'm trying to write within the rules put forth. I have subsequently removed /*Other sources*/#3, I agree on this one. Reference 1 and old no.3 (now no.2) are press releases by a third party, SAP, who is independently awarding companies who it sees as providing best services and products, this to is the best third-party available as these guys know what is good and what is not (they are not going to award companies who do not show there product in good light). I removed number 2 on the request that it is press release (just wanted to say though that this is another third party reporting on the company); anyway it is removed.-- CHRISJ231 —Preceding comment was added at 02:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - even with the changes, it violates WP:RS, WP:CORP, and WP:NPOV, core issues. Bearian 19:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.