Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rod Love

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mailer Diablo 15:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rod Love

Relatively non-notable bio, possibly created by a firm. --InShaneee 02:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete per nom Michael 03:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete per nom. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 06:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - It is a little unclear, but I'd err on the side of finding him notable. - Richardcavell 06:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Reads like a resume, and WP is not a free webhost. Tychocat 07:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable person, who played signficant role in local and provincial politics. Obviously, it needs to be NPOV and be expanded, but that's doable, given the ample amount written about him over the years. He's more notable than many MLAs. --Rob 12:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. From the edit history, it appears to have formed legitimately, with only one questionable editor. --Usgnus 12:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Rob. Ground Zero | t 14:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Rod Love was the guy behind the Klein Revolution, he was feared by Progressive Conservative MLAs and civil servants during the fiscal crackdown of the early 90's and pretty much ran the show behind the scenes in the Alberta legislature, he is also Jim Dinnings campaign manager for his leadership bid. Almost every Albertan who has heard of the PC's pretty much knows who Rod Love is. --Cloveious 16:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Extremely Strong Delete per nom. He's not notable in the slightest, he's not even an elected politician. Ardenn 16:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as above. Keep per comments of bearcat and usgnus etc. michaelCurtis ^talk+ _{contributions} 17:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep with the proviso that some sources and references be found. Shouldn't be too hard to do; this guy has been the political mind behind a number of "conservative" election campaigns in Canadian provinces, and gets a lot of credit for shaping Alberta's fiscal policies. (I'd find refs, but I'm tied up right now; maybe later.) Not my political stripe, but I and a lot of folks who know politics know who he is. Tony Fox (speak) 20:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. He's a very significant figure in Alberta politics. Probably the most significant non-elected Conservative (and possibly moreso than many elected Conservatives). The article needs some expansion and citations, but that's no reason to delete it. —GrantNeufeld 20:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Meets the requirements of WP:BIO. He is certainly a major figure in Alberta politics and makes the occassional foray onto the Canadian national scene. His name comes up time and again in the national Canadian media. Quick and dirty search shows significant number of ghits. Agent 86 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - strategists are non-notable unless they are of Karl Rove caliber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aguerriero (talk • contribs)
  • He is of that level on the Alberta political scene. —GrantNeufeld 18:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: No aspect of the Wikipedia:Deletion policy includes notability as a criteria. The essay on notability explicitly states “this is not an actual policy or guideline” (in bold). See also Jimbo Wales’ commentary. (Thanks to Ground Zero for sharing these links.) A study of late-20th & early-21st centuries politics in Alberta that did not at least touch on the subject of this article would be inherently incomplete. —GrantNeufeld 18:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:BIO implies that non-notability can result in article deletion. --Usgnus 18:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Or do you mean that lack of notability by itself is not grounds for deletion? --Usgnus 18:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Those who believe the "non-notability" should be a criterion for deletion interpret WP:BIO as implying that non-notability can result in deletion. It does not say it explicitly. And Wikipedia:Notability is explicit about Wikipedia not having a policy on notability. Those who believe that "non-notability" usually means "I've never heard of him/her/it" or "This is something I'm not interested in" do not accept that an inferrence from WP:BIO should be accepted as policy. Ground Zero | t 19:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed explanation. --Usgnus 19:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Easily qualfies as notable per WP:BIO: "Major local political figures who receive significant press coverage". --Usgnus 18:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Needs some cleanup and expansion, but he's certainly notable. He was also one of the top figures in the Canadian Alliance as a key advisor to Stockwell Day. He's not just an Alberta thing — he's a nationally notable figure, and I don't buy for a fraction of a second that anybody who claims to know the first thing about Canadian politics in the past decade wouldn't know who he is. Keep. Bearcat 04:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.