Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racial deluge

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The only sourced statement which claims more than the terms existence is "Originally, the term was used to describe the in influx of Irish, Jews and other ethnic groups once considered non-white in the United States". This is "sourced" in the loosest sense of the word to a racist text, specifically the sentence "whereas the dominating numbers of the cavaliers of our own South were able to escape the racial deluge of Negroes". If what isn't even pretending to be verified is removed, we have "racial deluge is two words that one or two racists have used in sequence". Nothing below demonstrates that any of this material would meet policy at this pagename or any other. --Sam Blanning(talk) 03:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

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This is not a technical term, but a scare phrase used in an obscure racist publication Orange Mike 16:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, then, I think it ought to be documented as such... I mean are there any sources? futurebird 16:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The only "source" given for the term is said obscure racist publication from 1922, America's Race Heritage by nativist Clinton Stoddard Burr, which talks of "the Nordic race" and "unstable results of race crossing" and "our Southern cavaliers"! (See John Higham's Strangers in the Land: Patterns of American Nativism, 1860-1925.) It has no use or place in actual sociology. --Orange Mike 17:05, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I see. I added all the sources I could find online. It's a term used only by eugenicists and white supremacists... I don't know if it is notable enough to keep. Though it is good to have documentation of these kinds of things. I may vote later. I'll see what others have to say. I added it to WP:AFRO in the mean time. futurebird 06:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. No source that the phrase is (or ever was) actually a technical term in sociology. Αργυριου (talk) 18:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
    • The article is not well-sourced; there are sources for two uses of the phrase. The one which I can check is a trivial mention in passing, and only established that the one author used the phrase once. If the other reference is of similar quality, the article is complete bullshit. Αργυριου (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep though the stub needs expanding. Wenteng 02:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Although the term is a "scare phrase", it is one that is in use, at least among white supremacists. The term is POV, but the article is not. Also, it is rather well-sourced (the last sentence on Hispanics should be deleted unless sourced). Oh, and from a historical perspective, a "massive wave of demographic change in a particular area over a short period of time" is what happened when the whites came to North America. -- Black Falcon 20:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge refs and blurb to White flight or Illegal immigration - inherently POV, one way or the other. - WeniWidiWiki 05:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with White flight. -- Pastordavid 19:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Oppose Merge - there is no way I can envision to merge this into white flight without exacerbating the POV problem inherent in the term's blatantly racist origin.--Orange Mike 00:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to its proper term. The material is relevant and the POV problem could be easily fixed, but the article itself has the potential for being a good article.--Sefringle 06:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)