Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pradosha

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. @pple complain 15:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pradosha

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was tagged speedy for: "No articles link here even though this article has been online for 11 months. Talk page references all appear to be transclusions of the Opentask list. Article has been on Opentask list for ages. Creator of the article has not been active since October 2006 (and this was his first article). No edits of substance since creation. The facts of the article are apparently disputed, so I bring it here to the community Carlossuarez46 21:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The article was originally written as spam by an SPA and then lay dormant. It has now been added to a bit in the last few days but it's unreferenced, unlinked and unloved. andy 22:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Delete per andy. Marlith ^T/C 22:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. The Pradosha is a widely reported religious observance within Hinduism, there are numerous references out there and all that is needed is someone more knowlegable than I to make sure suitable ones are selected. In the meantime, the majority of religious observance articles for all faiths are unreferenced. Nuttah68 11:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment. That's as may be, but the fact is that this particular article is unreferenced and unverified. It could be accurate or it could be rubbish - without references how do we know? If "the majority of religious observance articles for all faiths are unreferenced" as you say then they all need to be fixed or deleted. This is an encyclopedia, not a prayer book! andy 15:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Take your pick from [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. References exist and if it would make you happier all add these to the article now. However, I would prefer to tag the article to get input from someone more knowledgeable. Nuttah68 15:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I can't follow Nuttah68's argument, which is not about the article, but about the subject of the article. The article as stands now is not worthy of keeping. That doesn't however imply that the the subject is not worthy of merit. A deletion also does not imply that the article cannot be re-created (hopefully then in a more encyclopedic fashion) -- Fullstop 16:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete -- Fullstop 16:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment. I'm not sure I understand your argument. The article describes a religious observance. The reference I gave describe that. If you feel the article needs rewriting go ahead, but poor copy is not a deletion reason. Otherwise, what is your objection? Nuttah68 16:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

1. What an article is about should be self-evident. We should not need to refer to external sources in order to figure out what an article is about.
2. The reasons for my delete vote have not changed (I am the original nom).

-- Fullstop 03:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I still don't see your concern. The article describes a Hindu religious practice, the reference verifies that. I cannot see why you need to consult the reference to understand the article, only to confirm its truth, which is the whole point of WP:V. Nuttah68 16:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:V is not a factor in this AFD. The reasons for this AFD are stated at the top of this page. They were then superbly summarized by andy. -- Fullstop 19:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So you want it deleted because you didn't look into the subject? The spam was deleted six weeks ago, but even when it existed it was not 'unsalvagable'. The fact tag was placed by a user who objects to a mention of astrology and can be solved with a clean up and Wikifying. The first few returns in google provide literary, academic and reliable newspaper sources. The article needs a clean up, I agree which is why I suggested tagging as such, but it meets none of the deletion criteria of Wikipedia. Nuttah68 19:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - this appears to be a religious observance that would have sources available . So that fact that the current article is has no sources, and is missing some context is a content cleanup/improvement issue. I've tagged the article as such. -- Whpq 16:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Article, now referenced, is about a well-known religious observance; being orphaned is no reason for deletion. NB: This AfD is a procedural nomination owing to an incorrectly placed speedy tag. Spacepotato 19:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.