Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philippine-Cuban Friendship Association

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The result was delete. Petros471 09:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Philippine-Cuban Friendship Association

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Article about a non-notable organisation. 2 references given: one is just a list of names of organisations including this one, which tells us nothing; the other link is currently broken. Only 3 non-WP ghits. No other evidence of notability. So it's a new, small organisation which has so far attracted almost no attention. andy 18:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - next time please use {{prod}} first. -- Y not? 18:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't see why. I used {{db}} originally but you rejected that, so I gave the matter some thought. I realised that a {{prod}} can be unfair - the author may not notice it, nor may anyone else, so my individual opinion would carry the day. That's OK if the author has abandoned the article and it's clearly rubbish, but it would be wrong for this article which some people obviously take seriously. A {{afd}} explicitly invites other people's points of view, which is what I wanted to do here, and is also more decisive. andy 19:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • That's why the kind gods of Wikipedia gave us {{prodwarning}}! :) Anyways, what's done is done. -- Y not? 19:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
      • I've used {{prod}}, plus the warning, on plenty of occasions and I always feel uneasy when there's a silence from the author. A lot of people only look in to WP irregularly. It's my personal style I guess - maybe it's a British or European need to talk instead of acting. andy 19:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, a few things could be said here: 1) Tagging an article for CSD 2 minutes after its creation is hardly an act of good faith, 2) its sort of a custom to notify a creator of an article if there an afd going on, 3) regarding notability, I posted a comment on the talk page of the article. 4) New organization? Small organization? What is that assesment based on? --Soman 20:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Solidnet.org is down from times to times. Link can be retriewed from [1]. --Soman 20:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're missing the point. Please read WP:N to find out what "notability" means in Wikipedia. At this time the only two references within the body of the article are one link that doesn't work and one that is uninformative. There is no other evidence of notability and very little genuine information - the article does not say when and why the organisation was set up, how many members there are, where it is based, who thinks it's important and why, or even what it actually does. andy 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Absolutely not notable. -- Y not? 22:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • <joke>Y is he not notable?</joke> Placeholder account 23:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The sources do not show notability, although the party in ref 3 might have been fun. As far as the article being tagged so soon after creation, perhaps hasty but there remain 4 days. Claim and source some notability and I will change my !vote.--killing sparrows ^(chirp!) 04:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Googlehit counts are difficult for this org, since its name is 'AMISTAD', which is a common Spanish word. Googling AMISTAD+Philippines gives 164 000 hits, most of the not related to the subject.
  • Some pages that mention the group are: http://www.bulatlat.com/news/4-8/4-8-disquiet.html, http://ourthoughtsarefree.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_archive.html, http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/54a/index-ee.html, http://www.geocities.com/migrante_youth/, http://www.isep.or.jp/other/spena/profile.html, http://qc.indymedia.org/features/peace/, http://arkibo.blogspot.com/search/label/politics, http://www.pinoyweekly.org/pw6-02/kult/kult_1.htm, http://lists.ilps-news.com/pipermail/info-bureau/2004-March/000188.html, http://www.yonip.com/main/articles/peace-justice-iraq.html, http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BCC881DF0-A8BC-4F53-9B3A-9049E5D0E38F%7D&language=EN, http://www.liberenlos5.cult.cu/index.php?&lang=1&declara=3&tipo=2&cont=firmas.php&page=1&letter=P, http://www.cubadh.net/index.php?cont=firmas.php&pais=179&tipo=2, http://www.bulatlat.com/news/6-44/6-44-home.htm, http://www.pampanganews.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=766&Itemid=251
  • In my personal opinion the notability is primarily based on that it is a politically active organization, connected to BAYAN (the main leftwing group in the country), and recognized as a referent by ICAP (the official Cuban institution for managing these types of contacts) and the Cuban embassy.
  • The launching of the book Kasaysayan ang Magpapawalang-Sala sa Akin (Tagalog translation of History will absolve me by Fidel Castro) is noted at [2], [3]. Note that MP Satur Ocampo, deputy minority leader in the House of Representatives and a high profile figure in Philippine politics took part in the launching. Carl Ala, the translator of the book, is also a prominent activist, see [4].
  • What do AMISTAD do? Some of the links above give an indication, the group takes part in various political protests. Also, see [5] for a presentation of the organization.

--Soman 09:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. None of this information is available in the article. andy 10:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Sources don't indicate notability G1ggy ^{Talk - Chalk} 02:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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