Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Haikin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus was delete. An MBE by itself is not enough to establish notability. Moreover, the article is wholly unsourced. I have carried out a thorough search but I can't stand up the MBE so the article fails WP:V which is policy. Incidentally, Haikin is described as a CBE (which undoubtedly is notable) here. Sourcing the award of the honour is, in my view, essential but the article should come back to DRV for reconsideration if the sourcing issues can be resolved. TerriersFan (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pat Haikin

Non-notable individual. Avruch^Talk 00:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete NN biography (WP:CSD#A7) —Travis^talk 03:16, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I didn't notice the MBE at first so I'm striking my !vote and, for now, I have no opinion to offer. —Travis^talk 14:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: No speedy, as there are 2 assertions of notability. Although, those assertions do not meet WP:N. - Rjd0060 (talk) 04:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• 'Weak keep' Keep We should be able to find sources on why she was awarded the MBE.DGG (talk) 09:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. An MBE doesn't really imply notability. Over 1000 are awarded every year, usually for pretty prosaic activities. My father had one but he would be nowhere near being notable by Wikipedia standards. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe he is. there are many notable people who don't have a WP article. I am glad of your respect for COI, but point me to some sources, and I'll give it a try. If he isn't, saying not all of them are, doesnt imply anything about this one in particular. DGG (talk) 04:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Phil has pointed out to me that any possible notability is likely to be more for the restaurant, which seems not unreasonable as Westminster Kingsway College seems to be known for its hospitality program & has several distinguished chefs as graduates.. Since its a very large multit-site further education college (I suppose equivalent to as US Community College ?) with apparently 19,000 students, I suggest that she is in fact notable & the article needs work accordingly. DGG (talk) 11:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, recreate when sources are found. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete no claim of notability other than the MBE, not much in sourcing. Secret ^account 23:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.