Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pascual Martinez Forteza

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 23:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pascual Martinez Forteza

Pascual Martinez Forteza (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

As I understand it the applicable notability guidelines are here; this individual does not meet them. (He is of course a member of a notable orchestra. I do not know whether past practice has been to regard such members as notable. Given that there are hundreds of major orchestras with tens of thousands of members, I would expect not, but I am open to being educated.) Rsholmes 17:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete -- Article just has website and a couple of words. If keep, please expand. Bearly541 23:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete WP:CSD A7. Prod was appropriate, why was it changed to AfD? -- Chondrite 23:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. —ShadowHalo 23:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep All members of orchestras of this quality are notable musicians, and there are many fewer of them than notable musicians in other genres. However, someone has to write the article.DGG 08:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I would agree the article does not merit deletion due to its lack of content; it just needs improvement. I nominated solely on notability grounds. Does your assertion that "All members of orchestras of this quality are notable musicians" reflect previous Wikipedia consensus, or is it simply your opinion? I would suggest that Wikipedia:Notability (music) either contradicts it, or fails to address the situation, depending on interpretation. Perhaps the guidelines need revision. -- Rsholmes 14:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

"However, someone has to write the article." Writing the article is going to be the difficult part, because there are no (or very few) reliable sources upon which to base the artcle. This is what "non-notability" means for Wikipedia. -- Chondrite 18:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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