Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pacifica USA3X

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete both. Kirill Lokshin 04:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pacifica USA3X and Redneckistan

"One of three secessionist hypothetical nations following the breakup of the USA." -- the others being Redneckistan and New Canada (currently a redirect to New Canada, Maine, I don't think they've yet figured out how to un-redirect it). The concepts appear in a few blogs ([1], [2]), but that's it. At the least this looks like original research followup to the Jesusland map; if not deleted, perhaps these should be wrapped up into an article on Secession movements in America, or some such? — Catherine\talk 06:40, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete OR, speculative, fictional, nonsense, non-notable etc. In summary: comprehensively unencyclopaedic. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] :: AfD? 10:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both as authoritatively unencyclopaedic. Anville 11:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: As it originally stood, yeah, Redneckistan is a definite candidate for deletion. I made some fairly significant changes yesterday (11/8) to that one to try to

repair it-- since it goes to a larger issues of right/left stereotyping and modern sectionalism. I won't cry if it's deleted, but it might be enough to merge it with Jesusland and their ilk, aggressively remove the POV, and then address modern sectionalism as an expression of Right/Left politics in the United States. Update: I looked at the Jesusland entry and I suggest that we merge Pacifica, Redneckistan et al into that entry-- it's the best of the lot.Wellspring 15:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete Pacifica 3X, neutral on Redneckistan. Although the latter looks tasteless there are hundreds of recent Google references to the term, many as ironic self-reference. Possibly salvageable as notable slang. Durova 15:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOT crystal ball; I remember a similar discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New California Republic. It's clear that an article about a notable and current debate is justified, but an article about the name something that will probably never exist is not. If someone decided to create Secession movements in America, please keep in mind that there is some material at Secession. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 16:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: Redneckistan, Delete: Pacifica 3X. The former seems to have sufficient popular appeal as slang to warrant greater explanation and reference, particularly to non-American web surfers. Pacifica, on the other hand, has little cultural significance outside a few secessionist groups. Frankly, I have heard the term Redneckistan more often than Jesusland in conversations, even if the Jesusland map has wider distribution. The underlying left/right schism would seem to be an important part of the current American culture. Zflash 18:42, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both articles as nonsense and unencyclopedic. —Cleared as filed. 12:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: this process has been tainted by combining Pacifica and Redneckistan midstream. While it is clear in some of the comments which article is referenced, in others applicability is not clear because the specific article(s) (one or the other or both) are not specified. UPDATE: I note that some of the above comments have been appropriately altered/clarified. Vegas215 17:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Speculative. *drew 00:24, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Keep: Having lived in all three areas of the States, I vote to keep this map of deep cultural division--.
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