Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ollie Cole

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect as a reasonable solution, no outright reasons for deletion given. Leaving history intact per GFDL. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ollie Cole

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Apparently non-notable musician, who was a member of band which briefly had minor success. The article is referenced only to his own MySpace page, and while a google news search throws up a few hits in the Irish music magazine Hot Press, I'm not sure that this adds up to notability per WP:BIO or WP:MUSIC.

I make the nomination because I think there is case for deletion, but I'll remain neutral for now. If kept, the article needs a major cleanup, because much of it appears to be original research or speculation. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. —BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Turn (band), this dude's band should be the afd. If the band is notable, usually its members are as well. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Reply The band seems to me to be of marginal notability, but I took the view that in most cases a band is more than the sum of its parts ... so that individual band members will in general be less notable than the band. (Obviously that doesn't apply in all cases, but it seems to be a reasonable general principle). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
    • That sounds logical, but according to WP:MUSIC the members of a notable band are usually ipso facto notable. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Sorry, that's wrong. See the bottom of WP:MUSIC#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles:

        Members of notable bands are not given individual articles unless they have demonstrated notability for activity independent of the band.

        So do you have any evidence that Ollie Cole is notability for activity independent of Turn (band)? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
        • My bad. Either I totally screwed up or the notablity standard changed. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - Hi, I just saw this article is being considered for deletion. It’s kind of a fine line with Ollie Cole. Yes, Turn were only moderately successful and since there hasn’t been much news with regard to Ollie.However, He has contributed to the highly praised charity album The Cake Sale and has spent much of his time since leaving Turn working on his solo album which is due out this year. Ollie is considered an important figure on the Irish music scene and shouldn’t be judged completely by Turn’s success or the last 2 absent years.If you wish I can clean up this page a little as it seems very unreferenced and bulky. I know of several articles and reviews that can be used as references for almost everything on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmark23 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Turn (band) as co-founder, lead guitarist, and songwriter of the group, but has yet to produce/do anything separate from the act. When his much-belated solo album is finally released, or when his activity after the dissolution of the group attracts more notoriety than a contribution to a compilation album, this article can be restarted with the appropriate citations from reliable sources. B.Wind (talk) 06:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Reply Good idea. That sounds to me like the perfect solution. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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