Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nisio Isin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Daniel.Bryant ^{[ T · C ]} 03:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nisio Isin

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Unverifiable as far as I can tell. All ISBN lead to no known results in Worldcat and Library of Congress. Only about 300 Ghits for the pen name and as far as I can tell most of the best hits are Japanese Wiki (unusable for verifiability). Next to no results in English anywhere on the web. ju66l3r 06:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Did you try searching for his Kanji name, seeing as he is Japanese and all? I got 105,000 hits on google, and I found a few of his books on world cat, under a different English spelling of his name(Japanese doesn't have the 'si' sound, so they instead use the 'shi' sound on that site).SuperDT 08:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: And I'm supposed to be able to verify sources written in Kanji how again? And then you used a name that no longer has the palindromic effect claimed by the article to be so important to the author's transliteration to find books on Worldcat (which still doesn't explain why the ISBN's don't line up with any of the other books)? The two books that you do find under the new non-pen name aren't referenced anywhere in the article (making them further suspect). And finally, one of those two books is written in korean according to your Worldcat search. None of that helps verifiability. ju66l3r 13:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

While English sources are preferred, there's no rules against sources in languages other than English especially for subjects in a specific language area. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Great. Where are those sources? No source for the award recognition. No source for the near WP:BLP-violating claim that he's a college dropout. No ISBNs that link to books anywhere that I can find. No titles for some alternate romanization of his name in the article. ju66l3r 13:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

All ISBN lead to known results in Webcat plus.MMTD 13:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per SuperDT. Appears to have been a simple transliteration problem. Clearly verifiable. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - The standard romanization of his name is "Nishio Ishin". His English version pen name is "NISIO ISIN". It is point symmetric and palindromic. MMTD 14:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, the nominator renamed the article from "NISIO ISIN" to "Nisio Isin". MMTD 14:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Scogdv 15:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but should be checked by those with the ability to verify facts in Japanese, and unverifiable claims removed; while ju66l3r is incorrect to believe that this needs deleting, he is correct to be concerned about WP:BLP.
  For example, I believe that the article is incorrect to state that the Mephisto award is an annual event, given that -- unless I'm misreading something -- it would seem that over 30 Mephistos have been awarded since 1996. If other parts of the article are equally unreliable, considerable cleanup may be required. Perhaps an {{expert}} tag would be appropriate once this AfD has been cleared up. — Haeleth Talk 22:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Clicking on the .jp Amazon link from the ISBN page is a relatively easy way to verify that the books exist. Neier 23:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Article is verified. Speedy keep if the original submitter presents no further problems. I feel that the nominator's reasoning is flawed. Neither the Library of Congress nor OCLC member institutions regularly catalog manga or light novels that are published in Japanese. (LOC is very backloged and there's no demand for such records. OCLC's Japanese members are usually academic libraries whose focus is not manga.) If we search the National Diet Library's catalog for the author's name in the native language (西尾 維新), it pulls bibliographic entries for works listed on the pages, no problem. We can verify that the Mephisto-Award exists and that Nishio Isin was the recipient of one per this column "Nyūsuna Hondana" on a Japanese news portal. Additional article fact checking is better done outside of the AFD process. --Kunzite 03:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm changing to speedy keep. Notability: He's currently ranked #2 on the Daily Yomiuri's best selling new fiction list. Down from #1 last week. [1]. Here's an independant biography which also says that he did not graduate from Ritsumei U. [2]. --Kunzite 04:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per the guy above me. --Ppk01 13:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.