Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazi Breeding Camps

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Lebensborn —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-10 22:07Z

[edit] Nazi Breeding Camps

Nazi Breeding Camps (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

No explicit citations; only external link is dead; I gather that it is seriously questioned whether such camps ever existed (as against merely eugenics-based matchmaking). It is possible that there is article potential here, such as about whether they existed, but the current article has been sitting for some time as a probably misleading stub going nowhere. Jmabel | Talk 07:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete, as nominator. - Jmabel | Talk 07:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: when I went to notify the person who wrote almost all of this, it turns out that he is indef blocked. - Jmabel | Talk 07:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

*Keep/Rewrite The article needs proper sourcing and rewriting, but the topic is immensely relevant for an understanding of Nazi Germany. I will see what I can do to find some references, beside Wikipedia-irrelevant personal memories of a conversation with an old lady who was directly involved. As far as I remember, the matching took physically place at specific "institutions". Stammer 11:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I realise the topic is controversial and I may be affected by personal recollections. This source may give an idea of what was going on. While the existence of the Lebensborn program is undisputed, the unresolved issue is whether such matchings were actually encouraged and to some extent organised, as my lady told me. There are claims that they were, but apparently the rumours, that were widespread even before WW2, could not be substantiated by historians (1). Stammer 12:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There appear to be diverging views on this topic (see e.g. this page , and the references therein), as well as distinctions between "the encourgagement of non-marital pregnancies between Aryan youths" (like the lady I met and her SS mate) and more brutal variants. Anyways, at this stage it's probably better to Merge/Redirect into Lebensborn. Stammer 09:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

. *Delete, I don't see any good reason for inclusion of this article here on Wikipedia. Needs sources, which is unlikely to find. Sounds like a made up hoax. Terence Ong 14:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep, at least until Stammer has had a chance to do some research. I also knew a woman who was involved in this (very much against her will - they chained her to a bed for over a year); although her recollections were also Wikipedia-irrelevant, my memory of them leads me to believe that this is neither a hoax nor a non-notable topic. --Charlene 18:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, apparently a hoax. Pathlessdesert 19:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete 60 years after the fall of Hitler, there should be ample archival material to substantiate claims such as those made in the article if the claims accurately describe the Lebensborn program. If someone cares to do the research and provide reliable and verifiable sources for the claims, the article could be kept. It not written in a very encyclopedic style at present, and without sources it should go. Edison 20:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, not a hoax and if substantial it should be re-directed to Lebensborn, which was a subsidiary of the SS to breed pure Aryans (what ever that may be) Alf photoman 21:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete until I can see more than one source, and a reliable source at that (not sure about that web site). Endless blue 00:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as missing WP:V then redirect to Lebensborn as a vaguely plausible search term. If it exists as a redirect, there's less likelihood of it being recreated. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Lebensborn and/or Nazi eugenics; I don't see how it needs its own article given these other two. Keesiewonder 00:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Merge into Lebensborn, there are some German language references to this subject, but most could be tranlated as to refer to Lebensborn than to specific camps. SkierRMH,08:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.