Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Molten Group

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Molten Group

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This article has been speedily deleted at least three times, but the editor has returned under two usernames to repost. Hopefully an AfD can settle this. My reason for nominating is that notability is not proven as per WP:N.

The article seems to stake notability from being shortlisted for the "National Busines Awards", in fact it was shortlisted for a regional heat and, presumably progressed no further. It also states that a director was finalist for Female Entrepreneur of the Year, but the link reveals that the competition required an self-nomination and entry fee. The second nomination was for Young Entrepreneur of the Year, but again this was a self-nomination (although without an entry fee). I don't think either awards confer notability to Wikipedia's standards. Neither the group or individual have actually won any of these awards.

I've tried to find some notability, but Google returns only a few hits limited to their own website, Wikipedia, LinkedIn and a few jobsites. BlinkingBlimey (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete NN, fails WP:ORG Mayalld (talk) 19:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: WikiProject Companies has been informed of this ongoing discussion. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

To: BlinkingBlimey Thank you for taking the time and effort with this article.

Username Just to assure you that the only reason a second username was created was to conform by Wikipedia guidelines that recommended not to use the first user name but to create a new one. So this is the reason for the new posting.

Repostings First speedy deletion warning: Blatant Advertising Initially you wrote to say all it required was a reference list which we added. As a new contributor that did not fully understand the process - the article was reposted.

Second speedy deletion warning: Notability It was recommended to rewrite the article in its entirety. This was done and reposted.

Third speedy deletion warning: was back to 'Blatant Advertising' and then changed to 'Notability'. This is what is being discussed presently.

Awards The above mentioned awards attract much attention with small companies and both finalist and winners are noteworthy.

You mention that some awards were self nomination, it is worth mentioning to be eligible to submit a nomination, strict criteria must be met and becoming a finalist shows the firm/ person to exceed the criteria set out. http://www.fgba.co.uk/entry_criteria.htm

With regard your comment on fees; it is common practice for business award nominations to have administration and process fees levied. The example highlighted above is approx £35.

In the article there are 10 references available. Small companies do not have PR companies managing their profile, so extensive coverage proves more challenging.

Examples of sites on wikipedia that have similar notability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detica http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto%27s_Pub_%26_Brewery

Oyster007 (talk) 11:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - the articles claim to notability is very unimpressing, and the refs given in the article is partly to articles who just slightly mentions them, and partly talks about them as a really small firm. The otherstuffexist-argument is void. I must also admit I tend to want to delete coi-edits, if closing admin thinks my bias is hopeless, just ignore this. Greswik (talk) 11:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - A hopeless case. There is little to no basis for establishing notability with this company. There are also massive COI problems with this as well. User appears to be creating multiple accounts to circumvent the policy.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 18:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

To: Oni Ookami Alfador Thank you for your interest in this article. Regarding your comment 'User appears to be creating multiple accounts to circumvent the policy'. This is not the case at all. I had to create a new username to comply with Wikipedia policy and recommendations. This article is written in the spirit of Wikipedia. 213.208.100.177 (talk) 11:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Tell me where it says anywhere in the policy that you should be creating multiple accounts. Actually, you can look if you wish but I'll save you some time; it does not. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 14:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

To: Oni Ookami Alfador This is the core of the notice I received to create a new account! Just to reiterate, i have only created two accounts - not multiple. The initial one is no longer in use bescuase of the notice below that was sent to that account. I now use the second account username only. As a new user to Wikipedia, I thought this was the correct action to take.

'You are encouraged to create a new account and contribute to Wikipedia under an appropriate username. Our username policy provides guidance on selecting your username. Alternately, you may request a change in username if you want to keep the contributions from this account.

In many cases (especially if your account has few or no edits), it is much easier to create a new account. You may also edit Wikipedia without creating an account'. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 13:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Oyster007 (talk) 14:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I was under the impression based on previous communication that you had chosen to create a new name, not that your old one was blocked for a naming violation. In any case, the reasons for deleting this article still stand. You may also want to consider using the standard talk page format here. I will leave a comment on your talk page explaining what I mean.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 15:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.