Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Makuta

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. For details, please see AfD talk page. JERRY ^talk _contribs 00:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Makuta

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contested prod. Original research essay about a non-notable character from the fictional bionicle universe. No real world context and the only sources are primary sources. Ridernyc (talk) 21:03, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable outside its own fantasy world. Pharmboy (talk) 21:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete hate to recommend dl for such a lengthy, detailed article, but the "sources" are mostly posts from one discussion board, and there's no evidence of WP:N. I'm sure someone appreciated finding this info. here, but it should be somebody's web page. JJL (talk) 22:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Makuta is the primary antagonist from the cult Lego franchise Bionicle. If you delete the Makuta article you might as well delete every other Bionicle article out there save the Bionicle article itself. As for BZPower, the comments posted on that webpage were by the author of the Bionicle books, Greg Farstey meaning that everything on said discussion board (or at least the things said by Farstey) is gospel truth or at least, the things said by Greg meaning that more or less everything in the article is adequately and reliably sourced so I see little to no original research. There is a variety of different subjects in the article all detailed and sourced so the article appears to be in tip-top shape or at least, in no fit state to be deleted. --Illustrious One (talk) 01:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I just tried editing to add a cite but the article seems to be locked in some way I don't understand. This invalidates the AFD since the article has lost some of its short window for improvement. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

  May have been a database lock, which is what happens when the servers get swamped, and the master can't keep up with the slave servers. It locks it so they don't get out of sync. It happens often, and usually passes in a few minutes. Pharmboy (talk) 15:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

  I just edited it without problems. JJL (talk) 14:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

• I tried again so I suppose it was a glitch. Anyway, that was by way of demonstration that the article can be improved by someone like me who doesn't know the first thing about the subject. Here's a bunch of news sources that I didn't use... Colonel Warden (talk) 14:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

as with all the deletions for this series, sources are great to prove the notability of Bionicle, they do nothing to support the endless min-wiki of ever character and object that has been created here. if people want to do this they need to start from scratch with the main article which is little more then a stub and do the whole thing over from a real world perspective. Also can you please site something specific from that book about this character. Ridernyc (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 00:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, no real-world notability, fails WP:FICTION. As above, shame to do it so such a good article, but maybe it would fit in more at the Annex or a Bionicle-themed wiki? Lankiveil ^{(complaints | disco)} 13:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC).
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. -- -- pb30<talk> 17:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete — Not an encyclopaedic topic. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 02:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, as main character in several reasonably popular books and movies, and video/board games (e.g. the board game: Quest for Makuta). I think that some more real-world detail is necessary, though, including perhaps information about the toy, e.g. review of the Makuta bionicle toy, and [1]. Hal peridol (talk) 03:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep- If we can get pages for Bowser, Link, etc. we can have a page for Makuta. -Karaku (talk) 04:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

read WP:OTHERSTUFF. Ridernyc (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Doubtful reliable secondary sources exist to establish notability. Doctorfluffy (talk) 21:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep There are plenty of articles here on fictional characters and this is arguably the most significant one in Bionicle. Look at the sheer amount of information on him listed here- How could it be merged in a reliable fashion with any other page? For six out of eight years of storyline he's been the main villain and I think that puts him pretty much on par as far as importance goes with Matoran and Toa as species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.242.128 (talk) 08:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Plenty (87) of references to him in the | news some of which looked non-trivial (http://www.macworld.com/article/44174/2005/04/bionicle.html was the first one). I think the real problem is that the folks writing this are unable to quite get how to write an article to wiki-standards... Hobit (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.