Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Liu Ch'ing

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wizardman 05:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liu Ch'ing

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I must say, 10th century history is not my forte in my study of Chinese history, but I have not heard of this person. The current stub does not give enough information for me to be able to conduct research on this person to ascertain whether this person existed. Unless more information is added, since there is no verified information here, delete. --Nlu (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:V. There's no evidence at this point to suggest that the article is not a hoax. In fact, it could be speedied as an attack page (no joke). Only Google results relating to this topic seem to be mirrors of Wikipedia and similar content which has been copied from this article which has existed for over three years. The original contributor had a history of good-faith edits but this appeared to be that person's first contribution, so it might have been a test that slipped through.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 23:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I know more or less nothing about 10th century China, but I do know when an article fails WP:V and this is a prime example of it. Google Scholar and Google Books do not turn up anything that seems relevant to verifying this.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 23:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I know very little about this period of Chinese history, as well as transliteration differences, but it is possible this is about the successor to Liu Min, who founded the Northern Han dynasty in Shanxi, but died in 954? His name is Liu Chengjun. Just wondering if this is possibly a redirect. --Dhartung | Talk 23:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Further I think it is Liu Min, aka Liu Ch'ung or Chung, d. 954. There seems to have been a Ripley's Museum exhibit using the name Liu Ch'ung that highlights the dicoria, although the only reference to this in a Chinese ruler I can verify is Xiang Yu. There's a dicoria-afflicted scholar once named Shên Yo, but I can't find out whether we have an article (it seems we should) due to transliteration changes. --Dhartung | Talk 23:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete This should be deleted. The first sentence stated... and the only sentence, is completely random. Delete it. Ohmpandya (Talk) 00:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:V, or redirect, if we can figure out who this is actually supposed to be. Ford MF (talk) 00:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I was kinda angling for a redirect, but now I wonder whether we should just use it for the Chinese Communist author aka Liu Qing, who seems rather important yet without an article. --Dhartung | Talk 11:08, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • The current content of the article is "Liu Ch'ing, who became the governor of China's Shansi province in 955 A.D., was born with two pupils in each eye." Nothing to be lost from deleting it now at all since its minimal, rudimentary content and context are now preserved here. As I suggested earlier it could be speedied as G10 (pages that disparage their subject, even if the subject is not a living person) and possibly A1 for lacking much context.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 12:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I hope you're joking. This is obviously not an attack page and clearly has enough context. It's not a speedy candidate. --- RockMFR 19:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I certainly agree that there's no way this qualifies as an attack article. I am also not disputing the current content being subpar. I'm just putting up some information I've found in the hopes that someone will make a better article (which might be me if I get around to it, but as I said I don't really know a lot about the topic). I think we should be constructive whenever possible. --Dhartung | Talk 23:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.