Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kovbasa

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Kielbasa (with small "merge" copy edit). —Doug Bell talk 19:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kovbasa

del foreign language dicdef. "Kovbasa" simply means sausage in Ukrainian language. `'mikkanarxi 00:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • delicious, er, delete or redirect to sausage. If someone can show that this is a particular style of sausage (like Italian sausage) rather than a generic term, I might reconsider. Agent 86 00:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • keep A quick google search came up with many showing the uniqueness. Here's a few:

Recipe

Martha Stewart weighs in

Kovbasa Eating Festival

Apparently one of the distinguishing features is a heavy-garlic taste. Drew30319 01:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope. In these articles the word "kovbasa" is used for ethnic exotics and quite interchangeable with "sausage". Qouting: "Our specialty kovbasa is the hot Cajun. And we brought a traditional sausage..." Cajun kovbasa!...? Wow! ROTFLMAO `'mikkanarxi 04:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
And Martha Stewart is simply ridiculous in her ignorance: "kovbasa siekana sausage": hehe, one word Ukrainian, another Polish (and third=first). Google is helpful only when you have at least a minimal idea of the topic. `'mikkanarxi 04:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to sausage. The term appears to be a general translation. TSO1D 01:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to sausage--M8v2 02:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment on kielbasa: I've seen this page. But even if some Polish colleaguse see me as a Polonophobe, I did not put it for deletion, for two reasons: (1) the article indeed describes Polish sausage and (2) the term has significant English presence, just look into your dictionaries. Not to say that the article is well-written and clearly ditinguishes national and American usage. `'mikkanarxi 04:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Merge or redirect to kielbasa. A sausage from the Ukraine is more like a sausage from Poland than a general sausage. Plus, the words are clearly cognates. OBriain 04:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • A sausage from Ukraine and from Poland is exactly like a general sausage, only in America brains are a bit twisted when borrowing a word. It just happened that Polish immigrants branded the word in America. Ukrainian ones failed to do so. Examples abound. Take Kasha, for example, which in origin means simply porridge. Concluding, kovbasa is not a brand (yet). `'mikkanarxi 04:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Merge or redirect (still) I'm not certain you understand what I wrote well. I made no claim that either a 'kovbasa' or a 'kielbasa' is a brand. A 'kielbasa,' however, in English, is different from generic sausages. It's not a matter of anything being twisted in America because the same is true in Ireland, and Britain, and in non-English speaking countries for that matter. 'Kielbasa,' in English, means a fatty smoked sausage that recalls the sausages that Polish immigrants once made. As such, one can certainly have a 'Cajun kielbasa' by adding Cajun spices to the usual ingredients just as one can have a Hawaiian pizza. OBriain 23:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to kielbasa -- Whpq 16:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Kielbasa.--Húsönd 18:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Kielbasa. — Seadog 19:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Kielbasa. SignaturebrendelHAPPY HOLIDAYS 22:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Kielbasa. Cbrown1023 22:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Well, there's a clear consensus to redirect. This article should be unlisted from AfD and redirected per the consensus.

  • Comment Kielbasa is Polish; kubassa (and who the he** put a V in it??) is Ukrainian. They are significantly different - Ukrainian sausage is a unique item and is sold as such and should have its own article or, if it's considered not notable enough for a separate article, should be mentioned under sausage, not under kielbasa. Kubassa is a sausage, but it isn't a kielbasa. --Charlene 07:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • 'Merge with Kielbasa as an Ukranian version with iots own speling. Everyone knows Kielbasa RaveenS 23:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.