Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keith Macpherson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 22:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keith Macpherson

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Delete also-ran on Canadian idol and has little else on which to pin notability Carlossuarez46 06:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Not nearly notable enough.Alberon 10:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep -- notability is more a function of reliable sources than success. It reflects reader interest and ensures we have enough information to source reliable articles. Quick searches of Google News and Google News Archive for "Keith Macpherson"+idol finds multiple media sources to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles's criteria #1:
  • Google News: 3 items
  • Google News Archive: 53 news items
  • The article already had two acceptable references when it was nominated: CTV Television Network^[1], Winnipeg Sun^[2]

--A. B. ^(talk) 13:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• The criterion actually requires the musician to be the subject of the multiple non-trivial published works. If the musician is mentioned in an article whose main subject is really a TV show or another musician, then I don't think it meets the threshhold. If the work is titled something like, "Keith performs, does great on Canadian Idol show!" then this is very different from "Keith performs, impresses millions!" One is probably about the show, the other unequivocally about the performance. (Note: I was only able to pull up one of those three Google News articles; it was a local newspaper article strictly about local musicians playing in local venues - not meeting the threshold.) I think this guy falls below the threshold in general; delete. Deltopia 15:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the lists of Television-related deletions, Canada-related deletions, and Bands and musicians-related deletions. —A. B. ^(talk) 14:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Not nearly notable enough for me. Let him live a little, love a little, lose a little. Then - maybe. Bombycil 16:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
• The references that A. B. notes above are multiple, non-trivial, and independent of the musician. That satisfies criterion #1 of WP:MUSIC. Keep. --Paul Erik 05:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tikiwont 12:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable docboat 13:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Has had multiple, non-trivial, and independent coverage. Epbr123 19:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 14:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 14:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• delete - no proof of any notability outside of his appearance on the TV show. In cases like this, we merge any useful content to the TV show, until perhaps such time as the individual does something important on his own. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 02:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• The article does not yet reflect it, but there is notability being established separate from Canadian Idol, as Macpherson gains media attention as part of the duo Keith and Renée. Example 1 Example 2 We could argue whether this belongs in a different article altogether, Keith and Renée, but I think it would be reasonable to incorporate information both about the duo and about Macpherson's Idol-related attention into the article Keith Macpherson. --Paul Erik 03:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per User:Epbr123JForget 01:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I have cleaned up the references that already sat in the article and those mentioned here. The news references are sufficient to establish notability of the performer in the context of both Canadian Idol and the Easily Amused group. My feeling is that the Easily Amused group should be built as a subsection of this biographical article. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - no tangible achievements and is not the subject of multiple reliable sources so fails WP:N. BlueValour (talk) 17:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep because of this, and this, both of which are used in the article. Sancho 18:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Canadian Idol Season 4, like most articles of reality show contestants especially one that didn't even cut the top-20, do not keep, are there any sources that is not a local newspaper, which I don't consider significant, or because of his American Idol activies, no. I also recommend for this AFD be closed a little later to consider my proposal. This is a Secret ^account 20:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.