Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Brownell

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete - which, frankly, I think is insane. However, my job is to judge consensus. Defaulting to keep, without prejudice against renomination in the future, of course. - Philippe 18:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Katie Brownell

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Little League pitcher, local notability at best, probably written by a friend of hers Spanneraol (talk) 20:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete For the above reasons. Spanneraol (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLP1E. Fails WP:ATHLETE and the baseball notability guidelines. It might be appropriate to include a brief mention of her in another article, such as Little League Baseball. BRMo (talk) 23:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep: The standard for WP:ATHLETE for an amateur is "Competitors and coaches who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports (who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them)." Little League is the highest level available in baseball for people of her age. Her gender makes her a rarity in the sport, and her accomplishment has been achieved by only a select few. She has been honored by the Baseball Hall of Fame and the President of the United States as the article states. Contrary to the above opinion, this was not just a local story. I live in North Carolina and remember reading about this in both my local paper and the USA Today. The article is sourced with independent third party sources. This person is notable by amateur athletes standards. Kinston eagle (talk) 13:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment I have added links to more third party coverage including NBC, The New York Times, the Congressional Record, ESPN, and USA Today. Kinston eagle (talk) 14:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Reply Little League baseball is far from the "highest level in amateur sports" a criteria which makes no mention of age. Despite what the article states, plenty of girls play little league baseball and her being honored by the president is a human interest story perhaps but lots of people get honored by the president for similar things but dont get wikipedia articles. It's still a WP:BLP1E situation. Spanneraol (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Response I never claimed that it was the highest level in amateur sports. It was the highest level in amateur sports available to someone her age. The point being that she completed the rarest and most difficult achievement a pitcher can possibly accomplish at the highest possible level she was allowed to compete at. Many respected national news organizations felt it was notable and worthy of feature coverage. The Hall of Fame felt that it was worthy of a display at their institution and the President and congressmen felt it was worthy of official recognition. This was above and beyond a mere human interest story. Certainly it is notable. Kinston eagle (talk) 17:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - meets standards per Kinstone Eagle's comment. Some years from now, this person's notability might diminish - but some years should pass before notability is reviewed. For now, notability is satisfied. Ezratrumpet (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note If something was once notable, notability can never be lost. SashaNein (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Kinstone Eagle. The nominator's rationale of this person being notable only locally is clearly false and the end comment is wholly inappropriate. SashaNein (talk) 19:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.