Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Steinberg (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as non-notable. Sources provided included several vendor pages for purchase of his book, and articles were mostly brief mentions in pieces about network security. The article's creator has no Wikipedia edits outside this subject. While its creator and multiple SPAs seem to be very interested in this article's future, this person does not meet WP:BIO. - KrakatoaKatie 05:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Steinberg

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• Delete this was deleted last year but it's back in a somewhat different form; he still seems not notable - his company appears to be nn, and his book is ranked deep in the 500,000's in sales rank at Amazon.com Carlossuarez46 21:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Joseph is a respected expert on various areas of information security (especially online authentication and SSL VPN). Note (responding to comment above) - His book is sold primarily directly from the publisher. The book was recently translated into French - which the publisher would not have been done if it were not selling well. Rajeshh 01:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

— Rajeshh (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Dhartung | Talk 04:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Please see my note below. Rajeshh 14:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete: Not notable as per previous AfD. Suspicion this is a vanity article. NB previous comment was left by an account that has only conducted edits on the article.Saganaki- 02:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - He seems to be notable enough that people may find this information useful. 69.116.170.120 02:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC) — 69.116.170.120 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Dhartung | Talk 04:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, no evidence of notability derived from independent third-party sources. --04:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhartung (talk • contribs)

-- Plenty of third-party sources attesting to notability are accessible from the references on the page 69.116.62.33 13:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC) — 69.116.62.33 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• I have been doing plenty of editing on Wikipedia. My dynamic IP Number changes - best for privacy - my recent edits will be under this IP: 69.116.62.33 03:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep I attended his lecture at the 2006 Information Security show in New York. It was packed. He is well known in his field. 69.116.62.33 13:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep He seems to be an industry expert and industry experts (especially those who are well published) are notable. The article seems well sourced. 70.21.254.188 18:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

— 70.21.254.188 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep I looked him and a bunch of other IS security experts up after reading their books. 128.122.81.155 02:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• Will someone please add the not-a-vote template to inform all the sockpuppets here that this is NOT A VOTE? Burntsauce 17:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - a person confident in his or her notability should not have to resort to aforementioned sockpuppets to fake a front. ALTON .ıl 08:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Note: I am the author of the page and I added more material today to make clear the notability of the subject including more on his inventions, publications, and the fact that the customers of over 1,300 financial firms in the USA use, and benefit from, his inventions. Rajeshh 14:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• KEEP - Note 1: I am not a heavy user/editor of Wikipedia. I found this article when I looked up Joseph Steinberg after researching VPNs, as he is one of the recognized experts on web-based VPNs, which is the topic I am researching. I am commenting here since I was surprised to find that someone wants to delete this article (I am seeing the revised version per the note above from user Rajeshh). Note 2: I see in this thread that there is hostility towards users who don't make many Wikipedia posts. I am not sure why. Every user starts as a user with only a small number of posts, the number of posts often has nothing to do with the credibility of a user, and if comments are both (1) not hostile and not attacking anyone and (2) verifiable facts and/or logical opinions then they should be considered important regardless of the source. That seems to be the purpose of information sharing on the Internet. Everyone can add information, not just some editor. The one truly hostile posting above is clearly the comment that attacked some of the previous posters as being “sockpuppets” - which, considering that all of the postings above seem to be rational opinions, is an unfair attack. F.L., Vaughn, Ontario 216.191.216.196 02:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.