Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Bonnitcha

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 02:56, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jonathan Bonnitcha

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Not notable, Does not pass WP:BIO. Has not been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Also created by possible sockpuppet. ExtraDry 10:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Recurring dreams 10:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Is a Rhodes Scholar but I don't think that on it own is notable. Nicko (Talk•Contribs)Review my progress! 11:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep There is a wiki catergory for Rhodes Scholars so that in itself would suggest that this is a notable person. The sources are clearly independent of the subject - the University of Sydney and Yachting New South Wales. The article needs work but given the activities, to date, of Jonathan Bonnitcha he is notable - we may just need to wait a little longer for a published biography as he is only 26. It should be noted that ExtraDry, who has nominated this article for deletion, has already nominated this article for speedy deletion (which was removed by another editor), nominated other articles that I have edited for deletion, and has listed me as a sockpuppet. I'm not sure this has much to do with Bonnitcha or his notability. Tallum 12:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The only other article that i have nominated for deletion and that Tallum has edited is Simon Fieldhouse. It should be noted that Tallum only edit to that article is after i proded it for WP:SD, unless he is admitting to being a sockpuppet. ExtraDry 12:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I removed a reference link to Simon Fieldhouse on the Notable Old Newingtonians Union list and this is my contact to this article. Having done this ExtraDry nominated the article for deletion. Tallum 12:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I still fail to see where any wrong has been done. ExtraDry 12:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable, and no suggestion otherwise in the article which is little more than highlights from a CV. Being a Rhodes Scholar is NOT notable (there were more than 80 awards in 2006 alone), though many of them subsequently go on to be notable, hence the category. Emeraude 12:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete also dont think being a Rhodes scholar gives notability. No independent sources talking about this person Corpx 02:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and source. His main claim to fame at this stage is not as a Rhodes Scholar but as a windsurfer who has represented Australia in various national competitions as indicated by Google News Archive. [1]. Capitalistroadster 02:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Though being a Rhodes scholar alone does not give notability, almost all of them do have notable careers. 80 world wide is a small number of highly distinctive awards, not a large number. At this point, notability is as an athlete. DGG (talk) 02:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep due to athletic achievements Corpx 02:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The Rhodes Scholarship is arguably the most notable scholarship in the world. It is certainly eqaual to an Olympic Gold medal and Wikipedia is keen to document the careers of Olympians. Upgrade the article but under no circumstances delete based on the grumblings of a disgruntled editor who most recently called for the deletion of two Australian Vice-Chancellors. Waterdanks 12:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Your point being, No policys were broken. But you are coming close to breaking if not broken already WP:NPA & WP:AGF ExtraDry 13:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • KeepIt is interesting to see the comparison of the Rhodes scholarship with the Olympic medals - how may Olympians go on to make their mark in other fields whereas so many Rhodes recipients have major careers post Oxford. We should be listing more Rhodes scholars rather than less.Mitchplusone 05:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I'm with the socks....meets the WP:BIO part of playing a sport at the highest level with the windsurfing. The Rhodes scholarship is just icing - Peripitus (Talk) 22:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Week keep - The sporting achievements are notable, being a Rhodes Scholar is not (the Rhodes Scholarship itself is notable but that doesn't mean everyone who wins one is also notable). I have therefore rearranged the article to put the sports first (being the important point) and the education second. Euryalus 11:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, precedent seems to be that competing in the Olympics equates to notability. I disagree with this, but it seems to apply. This, plus the Rhodes Scholarship, pushes this over the line in my view. Lankiveil 13:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep as an Olympian he does pass WP:BIO.Garrie 21:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Has had not completed in any olympics. Just been squad selected. ExtraDry 02:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.