Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Couey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. An important aspect of the whole case and the subsequent laws enacted was the Couey's background - i.e., his biography - so while he may be a BLP1E in some sense the focus on how he came to that event was the subject of intense notice and reaction. Carlossuarez46 21:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Merge. I think the content should be available but "focus on the victim" is important to minimize inspiring those seeking attention by committing crimes, as is a common psychological phenomena.
• Delete. WP:NOT#INFO. Thousands of people are conicted of murder every year, and, under WP:BLP1E this does not automatically make this worthy of a biographical article. Plenty of people are convicted of murder and few of them satisfy the notability guidelines of wikipedia. See WP:Notability. Popkultur 19:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Few killers ever have State Laws passed because of their crimes, or create pushes for the passage of Federal Laws in order to attempt to protect other similar potential victims. Since Couey's crimes lead to the passage of "Jessica's Law", this article needs to stay.--Sterlsilver 19:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. While being a murder is in and of itself not what makes a person notable the National media attention for 2 years and the laws created because of Couey, i.e. Jessica's Law and the Jessica Lunsford Act do in fact make him notable. Many people get indicted every year but do not have laws created because of them and do not appear on National media for over 2 years because of thier crimes, because of the National attention of his trial and the Laws created because of him I strongly feel that this article is to be kept.--Joebengo 19:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment The way I see it, the bio of Couey is more worthy of Wikinews. I think that the notable event here is Jessica's Law, and I think that Couey ought to redirect to Jessica's Law, with the notable facts of the case merged into it. I very well may be mistaken, but that's how I understand the policies on notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popkultur (talk • contribs) 19:25, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge with the victim's page. While all of the events for which this man is famous are related to the murder, they are noteworthy enough to be considered distinct. First, he committed the murder. Second, Jessica's Law was passed. Third, the Jessica Lunsford Act was proposed. Fourth, he was sentenced to death (and will presumably be executed). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juansmith (talk • contribs) 19:38, August 24, 2007 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge with the victim's page. Although it is true that "thousands of people are conicted [sic] of murder every year", the Afd nominator conveniently ignored the coverage of this case for years and the social and legal sequelae resulting from the murder that are recounted on this page. Ward3001 20:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment Hi - please assume good faith. I'm not trying to ignore any facts. It just seems to me that this article ignores WP:BLP1E (Cover the event, not the person.) If there is legal and social fallout, then I feel that is best documented an article about the event, rather than splitting this content between articles. Regards - Popkultur 00:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• Merge with Jessica Lunsford. There's no reason to split this content between two articles, though that may change if Couey's death penalty appeals become independently noteworthy. But that hasn't happened yet. THF 20:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Merge with Jessica Lunsford. Couey was a convicted sex offender who was living near a young child and therefor raped and killed her. The ill-fated faults of our country's judicial system needs to be known. Thismightbezach 20:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep significant national news coverage of this convicted murderer, laws have been established because of the child that he murdered. Clearly meets WP:BIO, WP:V, and WP:N. Jauerback 21:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as per Jauerback. Alex 02:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep This has recieved enough coverage that it is noteworthy of a biography. I also don't feel that it should be merged. For example Scott Peterson has his own bio, as does Laci. This case, while not gaining as much media coverage as the Peterson case, did get enough coverage. It was live on all of the new channels I could find. West 04:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• Merge with Jessica Lunsford. Neither person is notable individually; it's the murder which propelled each of them into the spotlight. - Brian Kendig 16:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy keep - Plainly meets WP:BIO, given the coverage both of his crime and his court case. Coverage of the trial and any future appeals makes more sense here than in the article about the victim, just as the detailed coverage of the crime's prompting of Jessica's Law is slightly better suited for discussion there. MrZaius^talk 18:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - how is this even up for debate? Of course he meets WP:BIO, WP:N, and WP:V. He's all over the news. Betaeleven 12:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete also per WP:NOT#NEWS. Sad to say, but these rape/killings are way too common in the world these days and without sounding insensitive, I fail to see much historic notability for this one over the others Corpx 14:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge applicable information to Jessica Lunsford per the several comments above. —Travis^talk 00:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Jessica Lunsford, which per recent practice should be renamed after the notable case rather than the unfortunate victim, per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS or to Jessica's Law. Edison 03:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - This page should obviously be on wikipedia and he is notable, we cant just say that the john article should be deleted because its about a rapist and murderer.if someone is notable they are.and the page on simple wkipedia makes him even more notable.--Zingostar 18:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep because of the unusual infamy of the crime, especially after the names of innocent people at most tangentially involved (his relatives) are deleted. This case, disgusting as it may be, will be remembered for years far outside of the area in which it was tried. Wikipedia has an article on Bruno Hauptmann, doesn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul from Michigan (talk • contribs) 21:21, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.