Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Washington (footballer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Eluchil404 21:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joe Washington (footballer)

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Delete. Contested prod. Non-notable footballer who has never played professionally. [1] ArtVandelay13 22:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ArtVandelay13 22:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable footballer. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 22:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete non-notable amateur soccer player who doesn't assert any notability Rackabello 23:11, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless some other notability is demonstrated. --Dweller 23:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment as a courtesy, it's usual to notify people when articles are listed for speedy or AfD. I notice that neither the originator, nor the person who claims he's played professionally have been notified of this AfD (nor, in the case of the originator, of the speedy tag that was placed). Note to closing admin - please ensure in particular that the editor who claimed Washington has played professionally has been warned and had some time to respond. --Dweller 23:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, or at least do not speedily delete. The article claims he plays for a notable football club; that's an assertion of notability. I'll be looking into this a bit more; give me and the user who removed the prod template a few hours. Of course, if the guy is really non-notable, I will not object to the article's deletion. --Agüeybaná 23:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment — I found this, which, although not a third-party source, proves that he played in a game. Therefore, he meets the notability criteria. I will be looking for more sources. Please reconsider your comments, guys. --Agüeybaná 23:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • See [2]. He played in a game against the Lincoln Moorlands Railway F.C.. Therefore, he satisfies the criteria, which say that for a footballer to be considered notable, he must have played in a fully professional league, which he has done. --Agüeybaná 00:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment The Northern Counties East is not a fully professional league ChrisTheDude 07:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per above - that's just enough.--JForget 00:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The Northern Counties East is not a fully professional league ChrisTheDude 07:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The only sources I can find show him to have played for A.F.C. Emley, which would discount him from the criteria shown at WP:SPORT (which is a proposed guideline and not yet ratified) and also WP:BIO in that he hasn't been shown to play for a club in a fully professional league. He was signed to Huddersfield (a team that does meet the criteria) but only as a trainee [3] and never played a game for them in The Football League (the three leagues that comprise the lower echelons of professional football in England). Wakefield have also never played in a fully professional league. As a side note, the Northern Counties East Football League is a non-professional league and stands at level 10 of the English football league system which is 6 levels below the professional leagues. Nanonic 00:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• (edit conflict with Nanonic) Delete WP:SPORT is a proposed guideline, a work-in-progress, and cannot be used at this time to support notability imo, Agüeybaná. WP:BIO is the relevant one here and the subject must have played in a fully professional league. Your source shows that he played for Emley F.C., who do not play in a fully-professional league. The article does state that he played for Huddersfield Town who do play in a fully-professional league, but on checking with soccerbase[4], he was there for nine months as a trainee and made no first-team appearances. Regretfully, as he has made no appearances in a fully professional league WP:BIO, I go for delete. --Malcolmxl5 00:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete no matches ever played at a professional level, and no other claim to notability that I can find. Contrary to what Agüeybaná states above, the Northern Counties East League is not a professional league, as kinda given away by the fact that there's a team in it called Yorkshire Amateur...... ChrisTheDude 07:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, never played for Huddersfield. No reason to keep. Punkmorten 08:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Has not played in a fully professional league (WP:BIO). Number 57 13:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable. Renee 13:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per Nanonic, unless and until reliable sources are produced to show he has played in a professional league he is not notable. Davewild 16:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable sports-cruft. I also think the assertion that playing in 'one' game in a sports league makes someone notable. Complete nonsense.Ryoung122 09:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I agree with you completely Ryoung. You know, for Cricketeers and Baseball players a single appearance (no matter how short or insignificant) qualifies as notable under Wikipedia Guidelines, absolutely absurd. Rackabello 00:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.