Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane Barry

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as citations provided do not establish notability due to only trivial mentions of Barry. While she has written and published a few papers and essays, these are not enough to establish notability per WP:BIO and WP:PROF. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jane Barry

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  • Delete Sounds like a great person, but not a notable one. She talks at various trouble spots and helps out, protests all the right things, and has 2 books: 1 unavailable at Amazon, another ranked at #3,726,750 in sales - what's that 1 copy per year? Carlossuarez46 21:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Most of Barry's writing appears to have been distributed through Non-governmental Organisations' networks - UAF says over 3,000 print copies have been distributed and an unknown number of .pdf downloads. Book appears (from website references) to have been translated into a number of languages Robin.schofield 19:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This article has been improved to make clearer Jane Barry's notable status, e.g. commentary on her human rights writing by external parties from Internet resources. The formatting of the entry has also been improved to make an easier stub for other people to add to. Robin.schofield 22:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I can't even find her name on some of those pages cited. Has her work been discussed in the mainstream media? So far I lean towards Delete. MarkBul 00:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I see no reason to delete this. In the field she was in she is well known and respected. MrMarmite 21:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Making unsubstantiated assertions does not help us. Please add references from independent sources to the article so we can judge them. MarkBul 00:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Week delete. She appears to be engaged in useful activities, but the sources included in the commentary section are simple listings of her 2005 book, with brief descriptions of its contents that could just be parroting a blurb from the organization that published it. I'm open to seeing more sources and reevaluating my opinion, but what's in the article now seems to me to fail WP:BIO, since no independent sources dealing with the person or her activities are cited and the books themselves aren't notable enough to establish her notability as an author. Deor 00:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep - although I originally tagged this as a speedy "assume good faith" echoed in my head, subject of course to relevant independent and relative sources. If they aren't found by the end of this AFD I'll most likely vote delete. As it stands the article is borderline with the bulk of it being on the wrong side :( --WebHamster 01:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep Eah. Just squeaks by on notability. i said 05:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Written citations are not metrics to measure the worth of individuals who work in developing countries and conflict zones. Their value is measured in the power of disseminating their messages through verbal narratives and community engagement. Jane Barry is also a leading feminist not in the western sense of being concerned about glass ceilings but ensuring women have the capacity to build roofs over their heads and secure their future in uncertain environments. In this way Jane Barry is creating a new paradigm for the feminist movement in the 21st century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.105.61.244 (talk) 07:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

— 83.105.61.244 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --WebHamster 09:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately soapboxing like this won't do your cause much good and can actually be counter-productive in these debates. Wikipedia is based on the foundation of verification. Citations may or may not be the best of ways to achieve notability but "rules is rules" and there must be some semblance of neutrality to rule out WP:POV. Citations achieve this with an acceptable ability. Either way an AFD is not the place to discuss rule or criteria changes. The simple fact of the matter is that all claims have to be verified using laid down guidelines. It's the same for Jeffery Dahmer as it is for Mother Theresa. --WebHamster 11:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Jane Barry is not only a trailblazer in the field of NGO-military relations in conflict zones, but also an influential practitioner. Many relief workers--such as myself--who worked with her in Bosnia or West Africa learned a great deal from her regarding humanitarian practices and the moral conundrum of emergency relief. Her impact reaches well beyond her written work and has influenced a generation of relief professionals. Ddetorres 14:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
— Ddetorres (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --WebHamster 09:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. That's great. Do you know of any sources that would confirm the information in the sections "Early career," "Humanitarian work," and "Policy work and women's rights"?
  • Comment. I know the San Francisco Chronicle published an interview with her in 1991 or 1992 on her witnessing Yeltsin's stand in Moscow. Alas, the Chronicles online archives only go back to 1995. Ddetorres 19:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Deor 14:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I've added some more what I would consider to be minor references, but I have no idea if they are enough to establish notability, probably not :( --WebHamster 16:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Entries from the San Francisco Examiner interviewing Barry have been added. Commentary on Barry's writing and notability by Women in Black has been added Robin.schofield 10:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep Surely someone who has demonstrably done such positive work and dedicated a tremendous amount of effort doing so in some of the most needy areas of the world should be kept here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rasheed8 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

— Rasheed8 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --WebHamster 09:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Views on this article appear genuinely divided because Jane Barry is notable in quite a specialised field. However, it is clear her work is very influential in women's human rights thinking - sources have been further updated to show impact of her writing on other authors, e.g. Anna Jeffreys from Save the Children.Robin.schofield 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Entries from the San Francisco Examiner interviewing Barry have been added. Commentary on Barry's writing and notability by Women in Black has been added. Robin.schofield 10:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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