Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Ackroyd

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Nomination was Withdrawn. Agent 86 01:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Ackroyd

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Article seems a homage to a deceased person. He did good in life, but wasn't notable. His name has many google hits becase there are at least 3 homonyms actors ([1], [2], [3])Abu badali (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC) Concerns were dealt with. I withdraw this nomination. --Abu badali (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Memorial to a person, nothing to indicate substantial notability. Might be something for being chief of police for Toronto though, as well as the liquor control board so I could be convinced to keep if more work was done to emphasize his tenure in office. FrozenPurpleCube 15:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
    • almost convinced to keep, but the article itself is still pretty sparse. FrozenPurpleCube 20:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Notable as a police officer, as head of one of Canada's largest police forces, and as chairman of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario. When I created the article, I had no interest in creating a memorial, but rather in filling a gap in the list of articles about former Toronto police chiefs. --Eastmain 15:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep Any long-term police chief of a large city should have had press coverage as the crime rate went down (or up). There should be sources to write a good article instead of the inadequately referenced stub. The only references now are that his name is on a scholarship and that someone in the legislature said a few kind words when he died. If "He has been described as a giant among men and the greatest cop Metro ever had" as the legislator said, then find several newspaper articles (other than run-of-the mill obituaries) in which such statements were made and the article would satisfy WP:BIO. Right now, as is, it does not quite make it. Just holding an office is not inherently notable. Edison 16:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. GreenJoe 04:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Per WP:MEMORIAL. Stoic atarian 06:19, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. Remember that WP:MEMORIAL does not say that all articles about people who died are inappropriate. It says that their notability must be established, as is the case for other biographical articles. In this case, notability is established by the references. --Eastmain 18:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep He was head of a large Canadian municipal police force and head of a large provincial corporation. --YUL89YYZ 10:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand This is a stub at the moment, and should be treated as a starting point, both of the subjects positions (LBCO Head, Toronto Police chief) would cause him to be considered a notable figure. The LCBO is one of the largest wine and beer mechants in the world, and Toronto is the biggest city in the second largest country in the world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmacd123 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
    What's to expand there? It seems there isn't much published about this person. Would you volunteer? --Abu badali (talk) 17:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - seems like we should know about him Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 16:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand he was the police chief of Canada's largest city and on the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, one of the largest liquor retail operations in the world. Here is just a few of the 160 articles in the Toronto Star's database going back to 1985 (if someone is really ambitious they can go to a reference library and see articles from the 1970s and early 80s that pertain to him):
Why the liquor board's slicker at 60. Pat McNenly Toronto Star; Toronto Star; May 29, 1987; pg. A.20;
Quiet revolution going on at LCBO headquarters. Tony Aspler; Toronto Star; Jan 17, 1987; pg. F.6;
Undercover Jack gets a roasting Retiring police chief Marks called 'true local hero'. Walter Stefaniuk Toronto Star; Toronto Star; Aug 15, 1989; pg. A.2;
Former chief Jack Ackroyd dead at 67. Toronto Star; Sep 30, 1992; pg. A.1;
These are just examples of a simple search. He is very notable...if his death is noted on the front page of the largest circulating newspaper in Canada,which he was. The article just needs someone to fill in the details. I'm too busy doing my own projects. Jack Ackroyd is KEEPER IMHO. Abebenjoe 18:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment if his notability is established in the article (which is not the case right now, but there are evidence that it may be accomplished) I would withdraw my nomination/vote. --Abu badali (talk) 20:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment His notability is already established in the article (1) Metro Toronto Police Chief (Canada's biggest police department); (2) Presided over the largest mass arrests in Canada since the FLQ "October Crisis" of 1970: the infamous 1981 Toronto bathhouse raids. (3)Head of the LCBO, which means he was a top level provincial civil servant, that affected the lives of over 8 million people. Abebenjoe 02:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's a start, and improvement over the original article, but it's still in need of a fair bit of work. Keep working on it though. FrozenPurpleCube 20:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it is still a poorly written article, but I won't have time to really fill it out for a few weeks...at least. Maybe the original author can add an infobox and flesh-out the article. There is a ton of information about him, both online and in the Toronto Reference Library and the Toronto Archives... it is just not in the article. I would say it is a poorly written stub, but that it shouldn't be deleted, certainly not based on non-notibility.Abebenjoe 20:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I think most people would agree that Jack Ackroyd is notable, though apparantly that is not a criteria for Wikipedia deletion. The real issue is the quality of the article, which means it should have a {{cleanup}} for poor writing tag, and have the deletion tag removed. Abebenjoe 04:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Keep. His position of the police chief of the Metro Toronto Police are adequate enough grounds for inclusion. ExRat 05:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

yah keep, besides, he may be kin to Dan Ackroyd and you dont want to piss him off!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by GmanIV (talk • contribs) 12:11, 14 May 2007 UTC.

Weak keep seems somewhat notable. AniMate 12:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Withdraw - The article no longer sounds as a memorial and his notability is better stated. The article currently suffers from original research (we shouldn't use the transcript of debates from the Assembly of Ontario that much, as it's a primary source) and pov (remember that sourced POV is still POV. Instead of stating he was "...known as an ideas man, and 'kind cop", we should say "Toronto Star described him as an ideas man..."). Anyway, kudos for those doing the good work on the article.--Abu badali (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.