Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Lenin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. It looks like the general consensus is for delete, though a couple of folks advocate merging to Communists for Kerry (in fact, one delete comment effectively switched to a support for merger). As the article has been userfied, the content remains available to draw from for inclusion in that article without a formal merge; for reference, here is the permalink for the userfied content. A note on Wikipedia:userfication—this is typically done by creating a sub-page of the user page, though in some instances, such as this autobiographical one, the content can go on or as the user page. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ivan Lenin

Ivan Lenin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

No reliable sources at all from a search on Yahoo or Google. The one potentially reliable link on the article--the Village Voice--doesn't even mention him. Fails WP:BIO--possible WP:COI issue as well; author is Newyorklenin (talk · contribs). Blueboy96 21:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete. I have to agree with you. He is mentioned - briefly - in Communists for Kerry and that is enough imo. --Malcolmxl5 21:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's a source from a Google search http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:WL7srgGUKbUJ:www.voideville.com/about.html+ivan+lenin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=25&gl=us&client=firefox-a

The Village Voice article has my photo and mentions me as "Ivan the Horrible" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Newyorklenin (talk • contribs) 22:34, August 1, 2007

Comment. Have you read WP:NOTE and WP:BIO? You will need at least to have "...received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." --Malcolmxl5 22:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have read it, and last time I checked, I don't own The Village Voice, or have any affiliation with it :). The VV is a major newspaper in New York, the coverage is rather significant, so I don't see why you have a problem.

--Newyorklenin

'Significant coverage' means, I believe, widespread coverage but others can confirm. --Malcolmxl5 22:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The VV source is sufficient to establish notability for Deep Dish Cabaret, but Ivan the Horrible is only covered incidentally in both provided sources. Appearance listings are generally insufficient for WP:BIO for performers. --Dhartung | Talk 22:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the clarification, but I believe the mention in VV is not by any means incidental, and qualifies as more than "appearance listing". Besides, a group that I co-founded (Communists For Kerry) was covered all over, from FOX to Washington Post. I will dig for links. Newyorklenin
    • It's a photograph, a caption, and one sentence. That is not a substantial review by our standards. --Dhartung | Talk 02:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete he's mentioned in the Village Voice - but only in passing. Bigdaddy1981 23:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete unless better sources can be found - sorry Ivan, but a single sentence is not substantial independent coverage, nor is a page advertising a show you're taking part in. Iain99 09:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Point well taken, Iain99. I couldn't find a definition of "substantial" in any of the links provided in this discussion, but at the end it's up to the community, and I respect that. I guess I should go and make myself more famous :) Thanks, Newyorklenin
• Comment - some of the information might be merged into the Communists for Kerry article (e.g. his being the founder) Bigdaddy1981 16:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree that some of the information could be included in that article, and teh page could possibly be redirected to there for the moment. And Cheers Ivan - good luck getting famous. Iain99 21:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with Communists for Kerry. Does not seem to be notable on his own yet Alex Bakharev 00:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Userfy him, userfy him. The VV article mentions him in one sentence and has a photo of him. Michael Musto drops names more often. Bearian 21:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC) I did it myself; content has been userfied and username is now blue. Bearian 21:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete self-promotion. --Ghirla^-трёп- 06:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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