Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Benson

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus (default keep). JERRY talk contribs 20:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Benson

Greg Benson (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

YouTube comedian currently ranked 19th with 18,000 subscribers. Several weak claims to fifteen minutes of fame, I'm not sure that there's enough here to establish notability. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 12:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep – Ahh we set-up a conflict here. On one hand we say that the shows Greg Benson , which also credits him for creating and producing, such as the Gorgeous Tiny Chicken Machine Show are notable enough for Wikipedia but he is not. Sorry to say, I do not think we can have it both ways.Shoessss |  Chat  12:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Article serves as a coatrack for content on the show, which already appears at Gorgeous Tiny Chicken Machine Show. Once this is removed, the article is unreferenced and the article therefore fails WP:N. Please note that the addition of more sources (and some more assertions of notability) to the sections not about the show would fix this problem. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 15:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Just removed the section about the show. Article now lacks sources, and thus fails WP:BLP as well. Please note that the addtions of references (in reliable sources) would fix this problem. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 21:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • KeepJust because there's not enough there doesn't mean it's useless, I only just made it. Sure maybe I should've researched more before making it in the first place but now it's there, IT's THERE! And I will add more to it, I've notified Greg and asked if he could supply details and I gave him the article URL. But for gods sakes, I can't know everything about him can I? I've given what I know and researched as much as I could, other users can add to it as well, and perhaps Greg Benson himself can contribute facts about himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammy0002 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Bear in mind that there are strict limitations on people editing their own pages; in a nutshell, it doesn't count that he can supply info from his own memory, but rather, only if it comes from a verifiable and reliable source that other people could check for themselves. So for example, if he has a newspaper clipping that isn't available online or through electronic databases, that's an example of info that can be checked that the person himself can point us to.Lawikitejana (talk) 02:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, another wannabe celebrity youtuber. No third-party sources provided.--Seriousspender (talk) 11:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
    Redirect to Gorgeous Tiny Chicken Machine Show.--Seriousspender (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep I've added some third-party sources, but the whole reason I haven't created the article previously was that I never really ran across articles about him or that quoted him (for example). IMDb lists commercials he's been in, as well as a starring role in the TV movie about Flight 93. I don't think there's any written mention of the shorts he made that starred Adam Arkin, Karri Turner, or Cree Summer, which would go to notability, but I could be wrong.Lawikitejana (talk) 02:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC) Update: See Keep argument, below.Lawikitejana (talk) 08:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Evil Spartan (talk) 02:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. No significant coverage. No real claim to notability. --Michig (talk) 07:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I've spoken to Greg himself. He would prefer it if the article was deleted. And I respect his wishes so I no longer support this article. If anybody want proof of the message then feel free to message me. --Jammy (talk) 20:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
While it's nice to know the subject's views on the matter, they're actually not relevant to the process of deciding whether he qualifies as notable, nor whether the article sufficiently demonstrates that point (though I appreciate your diligence and his flexibility). Lawikitejana (talk) 16:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Per above. As regards to --Jammy (talk), sorry to say, once you are notable, you are notable. Shoessss |  Chat  18:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- This process is not a vote! It is a consensus. We do not count up the Keeps and Deletes and the one with the most is declared a winner! Shoessss |  Chat  10:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I know that, you can't comment Keep twice in a AFD. Secret account 18:40, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment – I do not believe there is a limit on the number of times an editor is allowed to comment. Just consider my second Keep vote a stutter of the fingers :-) Shoessss |  Chat  20:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete not much in sourcing, all of them are sources such as youtube, myspace, etc, which isn't reliable. Secret account 20:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Per above. Also, please note re: Secret's comment - not sure you have reviewed article since additional sources were added. There are now sources such as IMDb, which lists him in some 11 features, not counting his own short films, plus guest appearances in 10 television series. That still may not be sufficiently notable by some people's lights, but it's certainly more qualified as a reliable source by WP's standards. Incidentally, I've now removed the expansion tag, having added nationality, date and place of birth (sourced), education (sourced), and the marriages to Paige Davis and Kim Evey (also sourced).Lawikitejana (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep. Various reliable sources are now cited, including a second honor for film work. Also, the Tribeca item (now properly sourced) represents being selected as a finalist in a prestigious competition involving weeks of being featured on Amazon.com's main page. I'd argue at this point that notability is made.Lawikitejana (talk) 08:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Internet Movie Database is a primary source and only the roles are, i still don't see the secruntary coverage needed for WP:N. Secret account 04:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete While the show might've been popular, notability isn't inherited; it doesn't go both ways. Due to the Google search for this person consisting solely of IMDB, youtube and Myspace, I don't think that notability is established. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 03:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Per above. Earthbendingmaster 03:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.