Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gravediggaz (other rap group)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. However, it seems clear to me that this should be a redirect to GM Grimm, and I have boldly made it one. Note that this was my own action and not part of closing this AFD. Chick Bowen 17:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gravediggaz (other rap group)

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Doesn't meet WP:MUSIC requirements for notability. This group never released any albums or made any news, and both members of the group (GM Grimm and Roc Raida) have their own articles to discuss their later works outside of the group. Additionally, there is a different notable group at Gravediggaz. Brad T. Cordeiro 00:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. If this was a short-lived point in their respective careers, it needs to show some notability other than that it was some brief confluence of hip-hoppers. --Dennisthe2 01:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. But be sure that this information (and that it's not that other Gravediggaz, man that's confusing) is mentioned in both rappers' respective articles. Antepenultimate 02:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:MUSIC point 6. A band is notable if it had a member that is otherwise notable. Seeing as both members have their own article undisputed by the nominee, their notability appears to be a given. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:MUSIC point 6 says "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." This is an early band that never actually did anything, so a redirect would be appropriate, except for the fact that no one looking for information on GM Grimm or Roc Raida (whose page was copyvio) would search for "Gravediggaz (other rap group)". Brad T. Cordeiro 20:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per MacGyverMagic. --ElectricEye (talk) 11:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per MacGyver. -Toptomcat 12:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The cited point from WP:MUSIC also states that it is 'often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such,' and since this group never even released a recording, I think that applies here. As there are no incoming links and the article is at such an odd location, I don't personally see any need for a redirect, either, although I wouldn't dispute if one were created. A brief mention in the articles on the band's notable members should be plenty. -- Vary | Talk 15:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
  • A band can be notable even without recordings. Gravediggaz has had notable member(s) and satisfies notability guidelines. Are there any sources? --ElectricEye (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Gravediggaz are not only notable because of its members, they released several albums and were covered in major publications.[1] Gravediggaz (other rap group) never had any albums or any coverage in any publication. I actually can't find any verification that they ever really existed. Brad T. Cordeiro 18:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, it has notable members, but no notability on its own, which is why WP:MUSIC seems to recommend redirecting in a situation like this one. That would make sense were it not for the improbability of anyone ever typing 'Gravediggaz (other rap group)' into the search box. And no, there don't appear to be any sources at the moment. -- Vary | Talk 04:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Mgm and Vary. --ElectricEye (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Alright, I'm somewhat new here, so maybe I can claim ignorance when I say: How do you reference Vary's entry as reasoning for your keep? Seems in favor of a delete! And then you have a "Strong Keep" with a strikethrough! Instead of creating a "perCrockPot abomination" of "keeps" and "deletes," just say whatever it is you want to say! I'm so confused! Antepenultimate 05:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep As per MacGyver. --Falcorian ^(talk) 16:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Vary. In my mind, Vary's thinking is impeccable. This is not a notable enough act for an article, despite technically passing WP:MUSIC, since they never actually did anything, and a redirect would be pointless since nobody would ever do a search using this phraseology. -- Kicking222 22:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment True, and well put: I'd likely argue inclusion except that keeping this article would do little except encourage confusion. Not worth it for one sentence of information! Antepenultimate 04:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per MacGyver. Sharkface217 04:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. The article fails to assert notability and the group has never released any recorded material. Just because someone of questionable notability had something to do with it does not mean it is notable enough to warrant its own article, if that were the case then wikipedia would be knee deep in crap. NeoFreak 18:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I named my rock bad Led Zeppelin, can I have an article too? Danny Lilithborne 22:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Did your band have notable members? ^_^ --ElectricEye (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep on the grounds that they have a notable member. This is because of Wikipedia's policy on music, see guideline No.6. The reasoning is based on a technicality. --SunStar Net^talk 20:42, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:MUSIC: "It is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such". —ShadowHalo 23:08, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.