Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Manners (MP)

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The result was Keep per WP:BIO and WP:SNOW. --Aaron 05:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Manners (MP)

Totally non-notable. Lacking sources as well. In short, who cares? Just because some fellow got selected for a legislature somewhere doesn't make him sufficiently notable for an encyclopedia article.UCF Cheerleader 19:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Keep UScentric bias of nominator regretted, but this article is about someone who was elected to a national parliament, was related to another notable Wiki entrant. Who cares? Personally, I don't, but because I personally do not care about 200+ year ago MPS does not mean it should be removed. Emeraude 20:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - meets WP:BIO as a politician elected to a national parliament. -- Whpq 20:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:BIO. EVula 20:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep obviously. All members of their country's ruling legislature are notable. Many dedicated Wikipedia editors are working hard to fill in the blanks to have complete histories of their country's legislatures, even if some of the articles are a bit stubby. Fan-1967 20:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Wikipedia is not only for things that interest 21st century American college students. Nationally elected representatives of any country at any time are notable. --Charlene.fic 21:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not sure if you know this, but you should: Calling a member of the House of Commons in the 18th century "nationally elected" is absurd. Suffrage was extremely limited back then, and even most of the middle class couldn't vote until the Electoral Reforms of 1832. The Georgian Parliament was riddled with handpicked lackeys that stood from "pocket boroughs". MPs until the late 19th century at least were neither "elected" or "national." UCF Cheerleader 23:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I should have said "official elected to a national legislature" or some such. However, saying he wasn't an elected official because only some people had the vote is like saying Abraham Lincoln wasn't an elected official because presidential candidates were picked by a small number of party delegates (and voted on only by white men). Manners was according to the laws of his country of his day an elected official on the national scene. Edited to add: please don't lecture me on what I "should" know. It doesn't add credence to your AfD. --Charlene.fic 02:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep -- given the plenitude of Star Trek and Star Wars characters with their own entries in wikipedia, what is the sense of excluding the real-life legislators--Christofurio 23:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC) of a world power?
• Keep (again from below, as former 21c. U.S. college student.) Members of legislatures merit articles in Wikipedia, however obscure their accomplishments, according to WP:BIO. I recently edited and defended an article in Afd on a member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives, using the same argument. The national British parliament clearly more than fulfills the same criteria. Dina 00:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, obvious notability. Whether the sufferage at the time was universal or limited or hand-picked, he was still a Member of Parliament. DWaterson 01:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Member of a national legislature, ergo notable under WP:BIO (and common sense). -- Necrothesp 01:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. The subject quite clearly passes WP:BIO. youngamerican (yo) 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.