Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Garden of Evil (Aladdin)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all.

There is a consensus from this debate that the articles cannot exist alone, with the two options proposed being deleting all and merging. Unfortunately, it is not within our general procedure to merge large slabs of entirely unsourced text to a main article, and as such I find the comments supporting deletion over a merge as a result of this factor to be the one which is best versed in policy and contains sufficient support to execute.

That being said, if someone really wants to merge these articles and can show me enough reliable sources to back up at least a substantial portion of the data, I'll undelete and allow them to complete a merge. In any case, merely rewriting what would have been the merged list may be easier, so please consider that before requesting. Daniel 08:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Garden of Evil (Aladdin)

Garden of Evil (Aladdin) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Fails WP:NOT#PLOT. No real world notability asserted, as required by WP:EPISODE. Seems to be entirely original research. Author kept creating similar articles despite a request to refrain.

• Also nominated:
• The Vapor Chase (Aladdin TV Series‎)
• Never Say Nefir (Aladdin TV Series)
• Do the Rat Thing (Aladdin TV Series)
• Much Abu About Something (Aladdin TV Series)
• My Fair Aladdin (Aladdin TV Series)
• Getting the Bugs Out (Aladdin TV Series)
• Bad Mood Rising (Aladdin TV Series)
• Air Feather Friends (Aladdin TV Series)
• To Cure a Thief (Aladdin TV Series)

shoy (^words _words) 21:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable, and just a plot recap. mattbuck 22:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I'm not going to claim that there is any relevance to a kid's television show from the early 1990s. But there are countless other shows that I've never even heard of that have their own lists and summaries all over Wikipedia. Even ones like Family Guy and Seinfeld are only notable for being popular or creating modern turn-of-phrases. Individually their episodes are no more important, yet many have long, detailed, moment-to-moment summaries with tedious trivia sections. I tried to set mine apart by summarizing only what was relevant to the plot(integrating triva on only two occasions) and noting all real-world references. I would've put them in one long list of plot summaries, but I thought that, at 86 episodes, that would get far too long. (Tako8Yaki 22:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC))
  • Reply - We should argue for an article on its own merits, not on "so and so is an article, so so should this". Personally, I find that Family Guy is much more notable than disney's Aladdin. An 86 item list would be fine. If you think it's too long, split into sub-articles with 1/2 of the eps in 1, the other half in the other mattbuck 22:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Reply - Family Guy as a Series is more notable, but most of its individual episodes are not. Many of its summaries are equivalent to this one and they stay up, so I think that this one should stay up.(Tako8Yaki 22:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC))
      • Reply - I don't agree with their existence either, but that's a discussion for another time. mattbuck 23:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment: That's essentially an "other stuff exists" argument. shoy (^words _words) 02:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Note: WikiProject Disney has been informed of this discussion. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, or Merge with Aladdin (TV series). --θnce θn this island ^Speak! 00:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete all One of the downsides of Wikipedia is that its tolerance, for individual articles about individual episodes of a TV series, has led to an expectation that an online encyclopedia SHOULD have individual articles about individual episodes of a TV series. Episode summaries are the ultimate in "original research", of course... there actually has been someone who watched "Garden of Evil", recalled the details about what Aladdin and Jasmine and Abu and Iago did, and reviewed a tape "just to make sure". I remember nearly every detail of every Gilligan episode I ever watched as a kid... but stuff like that never did, and never should, belong in an encyclopedia. Mandsford 02:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to a List of Aladdin episodes-type list. JuJube 04:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete all. WP:N and WP:RS. Phil Bridger 14:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and/or redirect to Aladdin (TV series) or to a new List of Aladdin episodes. This is not original research, as the policy specifically allows making purely descriptive claims about primary sources. However there are plot summary and notability concerns, which need not be addressed with deletion of content, but by adding context and secondary sourcing respectively, and the episode guideline recommends merging or redirecting problem articles rather than deleting them, as the content in the edit history could be useful if sufficient real-world information and secondary sources are found. DHowell 23:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• keep. Wikipedia has the capacity for all sorts of articles. I don't know anything about the topic of this article, but I still support its existence. There is nothing wrong with episode summaries. I'm sorry, but the notion that Gilligan's Island episodes "never should belong in an encyclopedia" is fully unwikipedian. Kingturtle 01:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete all because I doubt that there is enough out-of-universe information to write decent articles. –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.