Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fire engine red

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splashtalk 17:43, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fire engine red

All of the colour articles were subject to a blanket AfD here. This was closed as a delete all, although the talk page for that AfD was tabulated otherwise. VfU opted to undelete all the articles and give them seperate AfDs (see the bottom of VfU for my reasoning on this). So here they are. If you wish to make a blanket comment on these articles please copy paste your comment into each — do not expect the closer to extrapolate your intent in these exceptional circumstances. Thank you. No comment from me. -Splashtalk 23:51, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Without any kind of source or authority for the name, this is useless, This is not a start to a real article. Contains virtually no information not obvious from the article title. The entire contents of this article could be presented much more usefully as an entry in a a table. This is self-indulgent article-creation vanity. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - the color is important for what it evokes, and why. Also, Allmusic.com reveals no fewer than nine songs or versions of songs with this name, which is plenty more than "Olive-yellow" would ever get. -- BD2412 talk 00:42, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable reference color, used to described othee shades of red "x is between fire engine red and y" because of the common assumption, that it is a well known and fixed color. Unfortunately this isn't the case (and all sort of different identifications are in use, e.g. to PMS 185 and PMS 032). --Pjacobi 00:46, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, we have several pictures to satisfy curiosity about the color of fire trucks. Furthermore, the color isn't uniform even when red (as I recently found out during an alarm), although you might assume so if you stay in one city long enough. Gazpacho 00:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Reasonably widespread colour term. And it's not the same as the colour of fire engines — they can be green. Flowerparty■ 01:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
    If it's not even that, then why is it notable? Gazpacho
  • Keep. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I wouldn't have expected to vote this way, but BDA's evidence swayed me. Xoloz 05:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I think it would make much more sense to delete the color page and make a separate page for the song (or songs) than to leave both of them together. -Nameneko 06:04, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, but only if merged with Red. What more is there to say that justifies a separate article? Jonathunder 07:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep - referenced in songs. Widespread. Per other keepers. --Celestianpower hablamé 08:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep can be expanded to discuss the history of the use of the color in fire departments and the nine songs BDA found. - Mgm|(talk) 08:56, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep this is one of the few of these worth keeping. Why are fire engines red? What is the history of the use of this colour for fire engines? Are they all the same red? And - other than the one by The Grid - what are the other eight songs??? Grutness...wha? 12:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and list all of the songs. (Probably dispatch the infobox though). --TimPope 16:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This colour is more notable than the other ones on AfD. I think I may have heard of this term too. --Optichan 19:48, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
  • While I don't agree with keeping all of the color articles, I argue keep for this one. This color has a lot of cultural ties, from (apparently 9 songs, to being a common cosmetic name (especially nail polish and lipstick, in my experience), and probably lots of other uses we don't know of yet. Expand. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I should clarify my above reference to "nine songs or versions of songs". The reference only lists seven artists, so I think two of them re-recorded or remixed the song. -- BD2412 talk 01:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep but only if it can be demonstrated that (essentially) all red fire engines are the (essentially) the same shade of red. MCB 00:42, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Not sure that's important, so long as a significant number of fire engines are a particular shade, such that it would be the one people think of. -- BD2412 talk 01:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. The article needs considerable expansion and I'm unconvinced that fire engines are the same shade of red the world over, but at least there's some kind of source. Sliggy 12:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, but needs expansion. -Sean Curtin 00:04, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. I've heard of this, although I don't know how much expansion is possible. Carbonite | Talk 16:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with red. The Literate Engineer 02:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.