Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fabric albums

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 02:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fabric 01

AfDs for this article:
    Fabric 01 (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

    Delete - also nominating all of the related stub articles, Fabric 02, Fabric 03, Fabric 04, Fabric 05, Fabric 06, Fabric 07, Fabric 08, Fabric 09, Fabric 10, Fabric 11, Fabric 12, Fabric 13, Fabric 14, Fabric 15, Fabric 16, Fabric 17, Fabric 18, Fabric 19, Fabric 20, Fabric 21, Fabric 22, Fabric 23, Fabric 24, Fabric 25, Fabric 26, Fabric 27, Fabric 28, Fabric 29, Fabric 30, Fabric 31, Fabric 32, Fabric 33, Fabric 34. All are non-notable and fail WP:MUSIC and will never be expandable beyond the current track listing stubs. Otto4711 13:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

    • Keep - There are clearly sources listed for all articles (see the reviews column in the infobox). They can be expanded using these reviews as sources - just because they haven't been expanded yet, doesn't mean they won't be. I'll probably take a shot at doing a couple of these later today. These albums seem to be by notable DJs (I've checked the first 10 at least), even if the DJs themselves don't necessarily have articles about them yet. Wickethewok 14:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment the base page for these is Fabric discography, which includes a large number of live compilations as well. Also the nightclub that originated these mixes, Fabric, appears notable. Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 15:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Correct. That was not a vote for keep. But should the discography and other live albums be included as well in this AfD? Eliz81(talk)(contribs) 15:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Clearly at least some of them are notable, so I don't think adding even more things to this nomination is going to help. For example, I found five reviews for the most recent album Fabric 34 RA, PopMatters , Big Shot, Jive, About.com. Wickethewok 16:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I haven't looked at the discography or the live CDs, so didn't consider adding them here. I don't want to spend any time on them if these are retained since the result would probably be the same, at least for the CDs. The discography might be an improper linkfarm though. Otto4711 16:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep all Fabric is notable, yes, but more importantly the DJs who created these albums are notable, in some cases extraordinarily so (John Digweed did one, for example). No compelling reason given to delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Well again, notability is not inherited and the notability of the compiling DJ is not a guarantee of notability for the compilations. Otto4711 18:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • In keeping with the above example of John Digweed, this album (Fabric 20) has at least nine reviews I've found (see the album's infobox). This is probably the most popular Fabric album, but even for say Fabric 19 I find 5 reviews right off the bat (Stylus, RA, Sound Revolt, bbc collective, AMG). Certainly you acknowledge that at least some of them are notable? Wickethewok 19:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep all. It was my understanding that albums by notable artists are themselves notable. Darksun 18:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Per WP:MUSIC albums by notable artists do not automatically become notable. Many of these DJs don't have articles and may not themselves be notable, and regardless they are not the artists here. These are compilation CDs, not original works by these DJs. Otto4711 12:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    • DJ mixes are most often treated as creative, original works by electronic music journalists and many other published sources. Why else would there be so many reviews of them? Also, keep in mind that DJ mixes aren't the same as, say, the NOW! compilations. DJ mixes chain together tracks using various techniques such as harmonic mixing, beat matching, and often otherwise alter/remix the tracks on their albums (eg. Involver and OS_0.2). Though you may disagree with the amount of perceived creative input a DJ has to a mix, there is mounds of text from reliable sources by people who think otherwise. The sources I've listed so far discuss the DJ as a creative figure in these works. See for example, the JIVE review of Fabric 34 which says that "Ellen Allien [the DJ] has imaginatively created a work of art that is both timely and timeless". The other reviews similarly discuss the album's in terms of the DJs input, with the tracks themselves more secondarily. Wickethewok 13:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
    The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.