Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El GGoDo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. —Cleared as filed. 16:54, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] El GGoDo

It's already been deleted once a year ago (Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/EL_GGoDo) and there's nothing on the page saying what has made it more prominent after that. Also fails the google test, with most entries having come from the brief appearance on wikipedia. The person in question might be locally notable, but there's nothing to show for it except for a personal website. Bobet 11:55, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment from what's in the page, it seems to have some kind of notability, but the only thing here that seems verifiable is [1]. All other external links are to pages in this artist's web site. I will not vote on this one. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 17:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. I do wish we had more to go on. He may have published two books, and he may have had some major exhibitions, but I can't tell for sure, so like Paolo, I won't vote yet. - Dalbury (talk) 00:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment The reason I believe there are not more entries about him on the web is that the people who know him are not web literate; i.e. they can not respond to this comment. This entry in Wikipedia is intended to bring El GGoDo to a wider audience and encourage debate and discussion; though he is noteworthy - he is a private man and I suppose this may be against him. Regards, Dr Who 08:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment His 1991 book is available for hire from some Spanish libraries and from the Bayside City Library (http://www.bayside.vic.gov.au/ see under "services" then "library" and then search for "elggodo" and you will see the book is available for hire and therefore exists. You can of course check with the publishers....

• Comment You could also telephone the Telediario de Leon (http://www.diariodeleon.es, Telephone details can be found on the website) and get more background detail about El GGoDo and his life - invite them to comment perhaps on Wikipedia. Hope this helps with what to go on. Cheers, Dr Who 08:38, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment to Alex@elggodo.net. Unless a consensus developes to delete, the article will stay. Articles do need to be verifiable, and it is very hard for those of us in English-speaking countries to verify this. Is there an article on this artist in the Spanish language Wikipedia? - Dalbury (talk) 11:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Comment to Dalbury. No, there is no Spanish version yet - my first language is English (Australian) and the Spanish I know is pretty rough. However, his 1979 catalogue and 1991 book are in several languages; just look at the quality of his artworkDr Who 22:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC).
• Discussion. The fellow is real enough. This link is about his latest painting and provides some sketchy biographical details (second paragraph, e.g. where he came from, the fact that he didn't want to work in the coal mines, where his name comes from etc...). Also, the book that is scanned in has a preface by Jose Camon Aznar, professor (I think) at Univ. Autonoma (Madrid). However, all that said, this is an artist of very, very local reputation. I don't think you could even go so far as to contend that his reputation in Leon is particularly significant, let alone outside of the city. I am in Madrid and a quick (granted wholly unscientific) poll has found no-one here who has ever heard of him. Finally, per the website, unless Dr Who had a translation done for the site, his Spanish should be more than good enough to put up a site on the Spanish WP. Which makes me a bit suspicious of the comment above. Also, could you clarify the relationship? Are you the grandson? I'll abstain voting for now. Dottore So 15:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment one of my reasons for abstain as well is that, beside what's in the web site http://www.elggodo.net, there are few other references about him in the Web. One seems particularly promising: [2]. His name mentioned here seems to support the fact that he donated something to Russian musemus, confirming written in the article. The block of text in the linked page reads (thanks to Altavista):

  We will be grateful for your opinion about the site and for the opinions about our museum: you will estimate, if you please, exposures, exhibition, excursion, lecture, occupation in the circles, concerts, scientific activity, conference, publication, the care of visitors. Unfortunately, museum does not have a possibility to answer the questions, which emerge beyond the framework of the designated thematics. You can present the question into the conference: Museum cafe. Examination on THE INTERNET museum does not produce, slides and electron images it does not send.

  Not very useful. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 16:59, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment this is the strangest AfD ever!  Grue  19:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment agreed. I imagine the closing admin writing “The result of the debate was... Comment”.Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 20:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment I am the son of Pedro Rodriguez Fuertes ("El GGoDo"), however at birth I was taken away by my mother (Sue Alexander) to Australia. Part of the story can be found here: http://www.elggodo.net/en/id1.html. Because of the distance and my poor Spanish over the years I have had a different type of relationship with my father; than most families. Nevertheless, it greatly improved through the use of modern technologies and the creation of the website ElGGoDo.net; where we can both share in each others stories. Although, he is my father, I am able to be very objective about the quality of his work as a result of our unique realtionship. If anyone here is interested in Art then I believe if you saw his work you would see that he indeed has genius: I think this photo say it all: http://www.elggodo.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/elggodo_with_clay.jpg (the clay picture - has a double meaning, I believe it is also a protest against bullfighting)

And thanks for the hint about the Prof above I will see if I can get him to comment here Dr Who 00:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC).

Comment in 1999 when I was last in Madrid this restaurant had number of ElGGoDo's great works in the restaurant. The address is:

Restaurante CARTA MARINA Tipo: Restaurante Cocina Gallega Dirección Padre Damián, 40 Provincia: Madrid Localidad: Madrid Zona: Tetuán Metro: Cuzco Telf: 914586826/ Precio: Aprox. de 45 a 60 €. Especialidad: Pescados .

Perhaps if you have time you could check this out as well. In the meantime I will see if I can get in contact with that Prof 155.143.63.97 10:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC). Note: This is no ordinary restaurant it is a celebration of three forms of art (Food, Painting and Interior Design) and a hommage to El.GGoDo.Dr Who 22:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the clarification. Having reviewed the information, my belief is that this fellow is simply not notable enough to warrant an entry. He has practically no web presence - which means that he is unlikely to have been featured in exhibitions which invariably leave some webprint behind. The fact that the article is authored by his son does not assuage concerns that he is unnotable. And I can find no-one in the country who has heard of him. I wish you the best of luck in helping spread his reputation. Wikipedia, however, is not a venue for promotion. I vote therefore to Delete. Dottore So 10:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment It is true recently he has not had an exhibition. But as good as you exist he has exhibited on a number of occasions. The fact that he does not have a web presence does not mean he is not a notable artist; it simply means that he is not a generation X, Y; but rather before. On another note I have just tried to email Jose Camon Aznar to see if he can add an entry he in support of El GGoDo; hopefully, you can wait a bit longer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.143.63.97 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 15 November 2005 Sorry, Dr Who 22:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment you have been accidentally logged out -- it happens sometimes. Do not forget the signature at the end of comments, as it helps a lot following the discussion. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 11:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I think the fact that your father is not part of the internet generation is not germane. Neither is Antonio Martínez Mengual, yet a google search turns up 900 entries. Notable artists generate web presence through expositions, gallery showings, etc.... This is not a question of judging talent - it is about determining notability. Dottore So 12:47, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Time to decide. I see no evidence in all this discussion that he meets the criteria of WP:BIO. - Dalbury [[User_talk:Dalbury|(talk)]] 11:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Comment to Dalbury. This is the criteria: Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is recognized as exceptional and likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field. Well, his painting is in the famous Cathedral of Leon, so it will endure for near eternity in the historical record of the province of Leon Spain. Leon, is an important province in the history of Spain...

At least I have tried Dr Who 22:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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