Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diefenbaker (wolf)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge/Redirect into Due South, but due to the contradictory information this may prove to be challenging. Redirected for now, and will userify the previous contents on request to help with the merge. — Coren ^(talk) 07:47, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diefenbaker (wolf)

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This article has no references to establish its notability per WP:FICTION and also lacks sources per WP:RS. As such, it is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the television series Due South and is duplicative of them. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - into what I don't know, but the article is a stub and lacking in sources. Could maybe be redone when there is sufficient information to warrant a new article. mattbuck (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Due South has enough info about who played Diefenbaker, and really, how much more is there to say? (However, the two articles disagree, so it would be nice to have that checked.) Clarityfiend (talk) 21:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect to Due South 132.205.99.122 (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect as above - doesn't warrant a standalone article. PKT (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect/Delete doesn't seem to establish out-of-universe notability. Cheers, CP 00:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• I have added to this page to try and address some of the problems mentioned. Please reconsider your opinions. GalaxyHound (talk) 03:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Great job! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

* I second the objection to removal; he’s a major character in a major series, with points of interest (and complexity, e.g., the composition of his ancestry) separate from the series as a whole. Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) “is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception.”

In particular, “it is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the television series Due South and is duplicative of them” sounds to me like boiler-plate and would need to be sourced before consensus is achieved. My contributions, which I did source, clearly belonged in this article rather than the series article.

—FlashSheridan (talk) 18:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Withdraw - Notability, in at least a limited form, has been established. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to Due South - Although secondary sources are provided, most are self-published and do not meet WP:RS (except for one book source for which no ISBN is provided). Per WP:FICT et al., there is no need for a separate article on an individual character unless said character has been the subject of extensive discussion in secondary sources and/or has had a major impact on popular culture. Walton^One 20:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I’ve added the ISBN, though it hardly seems crucial for a book from a major university press.

—FlashSheridan (talk) 07:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.