Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circa Ottimo 06

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 18:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Circa Ottimo 06

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Unverifiable, two G-hits (Wikipedia and MySpace), 550 G-hits for "Circa Ottimo" but none in English. No hits in G-News. Possible hoax, but even if true, has not played any games yet so not notable. Delete. Accurizer 13:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

  • we are not fake, we have not played any games yet because our season does not start until February 22nd.Flaninthefacerh 16:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - "Semi-Professional soccer club" says it all. -- Bpmullins | Talk 22:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • i don't get it, why are semi-professional teams not allowed? FC United of Manchester is a semi-professional team.

    "Football Club United of Manchester (FC United of Manchester, FC United, FCUoM or FCUM for short) is a semi-professional English football club currently based in nearby Bury" Flaninthefacerh 02:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

    • Comment English teams like FCUM are considered notable if they play in any of the top 10 levels of the Pyramid. That doesn't apply to this club. -- Bpmullins | Talk 04:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Putting aside the question of football club notablity for a second, lets look at this article. The info box states that they play on the "Grand Old Smith Field", yet the article states they will begin play at the "'Turf City Complex' in Wayne, NJ". "Grand Old Smith Field" gives no google hits, and I found only one 1 hit for a Turf City Complex in Singapore. I found the name of one of the other teams (Corgodayo FC) here [1] but the other teams seemed to be high schools (like Bergen Catholic High School). This would preclude the "semi-professional" status of the team, since it is unlikely that a high school level team would pay its players. There are other inaccuracies as well, but I think by this point it is clear that this is absolutely unverifiable thereby rendering any notablity debate moot. Strong Delete - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 05:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 08:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • first of all, grand old smith field is in Saddle Brook, NJ. It is our practice field, because Turf City Complex is an indoor complex in Wayne NJ, there are no home and away games. and i dont know what your talking about, go to Google, type in "Turf City" and its the first link Flaninthefacerh 19:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete looking at the Turf City website it is an indoor multi-use public sports centre where, by the look of things, small-sided football matches take place. This would suggest that the team is not in fact "semi professional" but rather an amateur hobby team playing in a local league, and there's no certainly no comparison with FC United of Manchester, who average somewhere in the region of 3,000 paying spectators to home matches. Best of luck with the team, lads, but I fear it doesn't qualify for a WP article ChrisTheDude 09:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    • ....oh yes, and I'm intrigued as to how they can have their own group of ultras who "go to every league game" if they won't even be playing their first game till next month........ ChrisTheDude 09:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • alright whatever, take away our only source of information to give to people (our myspace is for the team and training dates.), if any of you would like to pay for a website for us, that would be greatly appreciated. Flaninthefacerh 12:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
    • As per this policy, WP is an encyclopedia of noteworthy things, not a provider of free webspace for anyone who fancies promoting something..... ChrisTheDude 12:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • i understand that, but i just don't understand what you guys are trying to say about us. if your worried that this is some kind of joke, its not. for one thing it has cost $1000 to be signed into the league. i don't know what a "noteworthy" thing is, but if our soccer team is not, then I am confused. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flaninthefacerh (talk • contribs) 18:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
    • Essentially, a noteworthy thing is something that a significant number of people have taken note of. As per another core WP policy, these are the standard guidelines for notability of a club, society or organisation:
“ A club, society, or organization is notable if it meets any of the following criteria:
  1. The club, society, or organization has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the club, society, or organization itself.
    • This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for the following:
      • Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the club or organization talks about itself, and advertising for the club, society, or organization.
      • Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply announce forthcoming club meetings or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in directories.
 ”
If you were able to direct editors to coverage of your club which fits the above description (has there been any coverage of the team in local newspapers which you could cite, for example?), that would go a long way towards being able to satisfy the notability guidelines. As it is, though, all we know from the article is that Circa Ottimo is a new football team in an un-named league which has yet to actually play a match. There isn't anything currently in the article to indicate that anyone outside the squad itself has ever even heard of the team, and for that reason it fails the notability test as it stands. Hope this helps! ChrisTheDude 08:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
  • i see now, so basically this is only being debated because this is a "club, society, or organization" right? anything else and there wouldn't be a problem right?Flaninthefacerh 18:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
    • As this is a club, it has to meet the notability guidelines for clubs. Other types of article have their own notability guidelines - see WP:BIO for articles on individuals, WP:WEB for articles on websites, WP:MUSIC for bands, WP:FICT for works of fiction, etc.... ChrisTheDude 21:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
  • i got it. i just really wonder how having this article up is hurting anybody.Flaninthefacerh 02:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - kindly refer to WP:ATA... Addhoc 15:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete unless third party sources are included. Addhoc 15:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.