Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chelsea-Arsenal

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 ^talk July 4, 2005 22:40 (UTC)

[edit] Chelsea-Arsenal

Wikipedia is not a collection of random sports results. Is this a possible speedy? Qwghlm 20:13, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I didn't explicitly make my vote clear in the above - it's Delete; as well as being relatively content-free, it also sets a dangerous precedent that every other combination of football match (and for that matter, any other sporting match) would be equally eligible for entry. Qwghlm 21:49, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and expand. Chelsea-Arsenal is not a random selection. Kappa 20:42, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. First of all, I dread the idea that we will now have articles for every possible matching of sports teams. But on a slightly different note, for teams that were formed in 1886 and 1905, what is the point of designating "a list with all the Chelsea-Arsenal derbies from 1995 to 2005" --Tabor 21:07, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, I assume that was all the stats the article's creator had to hand - there's no reason why it can't be expanded back to 1905. On the other hand, there's nothing particularly special about this matchup - there are a dozen professional clubs in London, and these two are not traditional enemies as such (Arsenal-Spurs and Chelsea-Fulham would be the notable derby matches). Abstain for now, but it at least needs some heavy cleanup. sjorford →•← 21:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree with Sjorford. Though this could be fairly interesting, there are dozens of potential matchups like this in English football alone (Man C vs Man U? Liverpool vs Everton? Charlton vs West Ham?), not including traditional non-derby rivalries like Arsenal vs Liverpool, let alone in other countries and other sports - we could be swamped. Grutness...wha? 01:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • What on earth does "swamped" mean in this context? Is Wikipedia down to its last ream of paper? CalJW 14:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per User:Qwghlm. JamesBurns 06:58, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, trivia. Radiant_>|< 08:59, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Unencyclopedic. Awful layout. People should aldo be aware of dozens of articles like this. -R. fiend 14:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Two of the biggest teams in the world. It would be valuable to have sets of results between the top teams. CalJW 14:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• DeleteDull - noteworthy 'cup' games could be housed in year records. Alf 14:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - a football rivalry of particular significance. Granted, there are others, but certainly not 'dozens' as commented above, of similar importance. The article could do with pepping up a bit, but in principle it's a good idea jamesgibbon 15:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • No, there aren't 'dozens' of similar matchups. There are hundreds. sjorford →•← 21:23, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • That's simply incorrect. jamesgibbon 01:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Other local derbies/rivalries in England (off the top of my head): Man U-Man City, Man U-Liverpool, Man U-Leeds, Liverpool-Everton, Arsenal-Spurs, Chelsea-Fulham-QPR, Charlton-Palace, Southampton-Portsmouth, West Ham-Millwall, Luton-Watford, Ipswich-Norwich, Villa-Birmingham-WBA-Wolves, Nottingham-Derby-Leicester, Newcastle-Sunderland-Middlesbrough, Burnley-Blackburn, Sheff W-Sheff Utd, Stoke-Port Vale, Plymouth-Exeter, Bristol Rovers-Bristol City - counting all possible combinations in the areas with more than two teams, that's 30 to start with. And that's just England - what about Celtic-Rangers, Hearts-Hibs, Dundee-Dundee Utd from Scotland, and Cardiff-Swansea from Wales (plus others in the lower divisions)? Toss in the ones from the rest of Europe and indeed the world, and while we're at it, international rivalries like England-Scotland and Brazil-Argentina, and we're looking at over a hundred, at the very least. Qwghlm 08:21, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
      • Add in Inter-AC Milan, Real-Athletico Madrid, Engald-Germany, england-France, England-Italy, Germany-Netherlands, Russia-Ukraine, Greece-Turkey, Spain-Portugal, N Korea-S Korea, S Korea-Japan, Brazil-Argentina, Mexico-USA, Argentina-Chile, Argentina-Uruguay, Australia-New Zealand, Italy-France, Germany-Denmark, Denmark-Sweden, Sweden-Norway... and that's just soccer. Then you've got similar rivaries with rugby union, rugby league, cricket, American football, baseball, basketball, ice hockey, (field) hockey... and the same in the equivalent women's sports, too. Hundreds may be an underestimate, all things considered. Grutness...wha? 09:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • What they said. sjorford →•← 18:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not a derby with a particularly long and interesting history.  Grue  15:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete bad precedent Dr31 4 July 2005 22:15 (UTC)

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