Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Basementalism (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was} redirect (protected). Proto::► 10:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basementalism

Basementalism (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Previously deleted as NN,copyvio, spam. Later recreated, speedy was contested, claiming it was a little different; someone changed it to a redirect, which was later diverted. At this point may be best to post here for review. May need to be protected if it does wind up as speedy or redir. Steve Sanbeg 16:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Currently no sources are cited in the article. The article claims that the show's format has been copied in other countries. I would say that if sources could be found to verify that and some other claims; then notability would be established. As for the copyvio concerns; the talk page of the article says that the show's staff wrote the page the article was copied from, and that they are the same ones contributing the article. The source website doesn't have any sort of copyright notice, so my guess is that they are agreeing to the GFDL by posting it here, negating the copyright worries. The thing that that leaves me with is conflict of interest concerns. However, if they can source their information to reliable published sources, then POV problems can be cleaned up later. Assuming the article evolves during the AFD to be sourced, then I see no reason it shouldn't be kept. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 16:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
  • (The following comment copied from the AFD talk page)Many of the facts posted in this wiki we are posting from our own memories although there is an article written by the Daily Camera ( local newspaper) about Basementalism that contained many of these facts as well, though they were given to the reporter from us over the course of interviews.
I will link the article, as there is an online version of it. Thank you for not deleting the page again and I hope we can maintain an open dialogue about what we need to do to keep this entry up and running.
Thanks,
Basementalism Staff —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.173.248.198 (talk • contribs).
  • Redirect to KVCU, and protect. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-19 01:10Z
  • REDIRECT to KVCU - clearly WP:COI - see above - and huge POV problems. SkierRMH 03:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


We've added citations and removed any info not fact-based. Please let me know if the current template satisfies the rules.

-JM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Judge mental13 (talk • contribs).

Since I've not heard anything I'm assuming that the new citations and changes are in accordance with the new rules and I'm going to take down the "up for deletion" headers at the top of the page. Let me know if this is a problem.

Judge mental13 19:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)JM

  • Merge The article has changed somewhat from the original version. It now cites some sources (though the citations are not in line), at least one of which can be considered a reliable source which is independant of the article subject. However, it only cites 3 sources total, and one of them is still the history on the Basementalism website. I'd like to see more independant sources cited. I've gone over the article and tried to reduce the point of view problems, copy-edited it, and wikified it; but it still needs more clean up. I'm not sure why this AFD's still open; usually they are closed after 5 days and it's now been 8. The concensus seems to be at this point to merge the information into the article about the radio station, and if you can't find more sources that are independent of the show and station themselves, then that's what I would recomend doing at this point. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 20:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs) 21:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete obviously. A radio show on a university station? WP:NFT. And evidently WP:COI from the above comments. Guy (Help!) 21:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, a university radio show? The articles linked (local/school papers, subject's own website) don't really constitute WP:RS indicating notability. Optionally redirect to the station. --Kinu t/c 22:33, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Quarl. Danny Lilithborne 01:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I would urge the two of you who said are pushing for a deletion because it's simply a "radio show on a university station" to read the entry a little more thoroughly. Basementalism is also a record label and promotions company.

Also there is no school paper linked as a ciatation. The Daily Camera is a Colorado newspaper, as is the Westword. Neither one of them are affiliated with the University Of Colorado. They are both reliable sources. If you like, I will remove the citation of the Basementalism website. Although the website's history section contains much of the same information found in the other two articles.

I don't think that adding all of the Basementalism info to the KVCU page is a good idea because KVCU has several specialty shows and should they all decide to start making entries it will create a logjam on the KVCU entry that is probably not all that worthy of multiple entries and links. We started the Basementalism entry not to promote the radio show but to give a history on Basementalism's place in the hip hop community in Colorado, the United States, and beyond. Calling what Basementalism is now "something that we just made up in school" is insulting, a.) because we, the people working on this entry did not make it up and b.) it has become far more than just a college radio show.

Thanks again for your input and I look forward to working with you.

Judge mental13 21:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: The Daily Camera is a local newspaper (Colorado Springs) and Westword is a (local) free alternative weekly, so they're not much of a cut above college newspapers. --Calton | Talk 01:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Quarl or Delete. --Calton | Talk 01:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually the Daily Camera is based out of Boulder, but that's neither here nor there.

And aren't most newspapers local papers? Does each article have to be from USAToday or the AP? It doesn't say that in the rules anywhere. I have to be honest I'm very suprised that so many of you want to delete this entry. The articles do explain the history of the station as well as the show and the facts that are explained in the entry, what does it matter if the papers are based out of the same state? Judge mental13 07:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.