Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barra binte Samawal

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The result of the nomination was keep. – Avi 14:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barra binte Samawal

A DRV consensus agreed that this article, previously speedied, deserved a full hearing at AfD. Please consult the DRV discussion for additional information regarding notability before commenting here. This is a procedural relisting, so I abstain Xoloz 14:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge into both the husband and the kid. Redirect to one of them, it doesn't matter much whom. Notability is by association only. - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or if must, Merge and redirect. Every person from that era that we have any information on is inherintrly notable, otherwise, no infromation would have reached us. This person is not a exception, in the contratry, she has such a close link one of the biggest Jewish tribes of her time, being married to its leader, as well as being the mother of what is considered a queen: Muhammads wife, making her at the same time the mother in law of Muhammad. I argue that there is no real debate regarding her notability.

The issue is how much there is to write about her. And the fact is that we do not know. This is not due to her doing so little that we can not established if she actualy did anything or not, rather, due to FUTON, much of information is not easily available on the internet or even printed books. Actualy, much of the information is not even collected in the same place in the Arabic books. Due to this its hard to collect information.

Our goal is to collect information of this 600th century people, and the best way is to accomodate for everyone to add any bit of information they might have. And considering that any bit is welcomed, people might abstain from contributing if they are needed to start a whole new article about the person. I understand that it is not advisable to have a stub on a semi-recent, semi-notable person. But i argue this is not such a case.

Having said that, my fianal word is that this is a good place of having a stub: not since nobody cares, but since its hard. Trust me, i bothered to get this undeleted and afd'd just to be able to get this case through.--Striver 14:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge or keep. Members of royal families are noteworthy per se, without regard to achievement or obscurity. The prophet Muhammad's family rates the same treatment. There may be a case for merging many of the figures in his family tree, at least if not much more is known of some of the members such as this one, but the information should be retained somewhere. Smerdis of Tlön 16:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this individual seems notable enough to warrant having an article about her given commentary like this by a predominantly Islam-centric editor like User:Timothy Usher. This woman factored into events surrounding Muhammad's life. Netscott 16:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Notability established. I don't see a reason to delete, and is notable enough for independent article.--Irishpunktom\^talk 16:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep' - Notability quite clear. Citation links need improvement however. It may be necessary to go do library research. GRBerry 02:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Old people are often notable. -Ste|vertigo 22:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.