Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Assassin (rap crew)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 07:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assassin (rap crew)

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Band with no sourcing to show notability, but IMHO just does not quite deserve speedy. The band's founder, Rockin' Squat, has been placed up separately for AFD. TexasAndroid 15:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be a shame to remove Assassin from Wikipedia. It is a landmark in French hip-hop, the first french hip-hop band to be self-produced and not signing with the major labels (which might explain the lack of what you call "notability"). It is a reknown hip-hop crew in France and is still producing albums. See also http://www.assassin-connexion.net TheAnarcat 00:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No secondary sources to establish notability. Article doesn't assert notability. {{db-a7}} is appropriate. Jay32183 19:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC) A secondary source has been added to the article. Jay32183 20:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Several albums on EMI France, a major label, establishes notability. Article now asserts national tours of France as well. Chubbles
    • No it doesn't. Notability is established by being the subject of multiple, reliable, non-trivial, secondary sources independent of the topic. The sources must also appear in the article, not just exist elsewhere. Jay32183 21:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Point 5 of WP:MUSIC states: "Has released two or more albums on a major label." This group has seven releases on a major label, five on EMI and two on Virgin. Chubbles 21:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 16:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - chart success (one album was up to #11, not bad at all) and substantial body of work seem to establish notability. It's tough to find refs for bands that are focused in non-English speaking countries, I've noticed; the refs pointed out above seem to work for me. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - seems a notable group, but the assertion of notability needs to be more clearly made in the article. Terraxos 00:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.