Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asama Onsen
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. WaltonAssistance! 19:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Asama Onsen
Contested Prod. No claim of notability is made here and there are no reliable sources. For what its worth, this has been orphaned since June '06 Geozapf 23:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. The place is notable as per a quick google search that returns about 1400 hits. It seems to be listed in a lot of travel guides/tourist guides. I haven't found a full article or something similar about it, but it seems to be well known and has a descriptive stub in a lot of places that aren't necessarily directly affiliated, eg. [1] and [2]. I'm not sure how to properly structure a notability claim for the article though and it being an orphan should be fixed. -Cquan (don't yell at me...) 00:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 10:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - opened 1300 years ago; 227,000 google hits for the Japanese name (many of them for travel-related sites). For forty years, there was a railroad line that ran there [3] but it closed in 1964. Not much chance of finding anything online about that, but, the fact is that it has been notable for quite some time. Neier 10:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Well if it opened 1300 years ago, show some of its notability throughout history for any length of time during those 1300 years. If a person can't, this looks like advertisement. If this were a similar cultural phenomenon in America that doesn't exist in Japan, let's say a local chain of 4 Italian pizzerias in Wichita, KS, we would default on deletion. It needs to be shown to be notable, or chuck it. -Kmaguir1 15:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think that a complete train line being built to a place more or less puts it on the far side of the bell-curve. See below for more; and, I'm sorry, but I don't follow the pizza chain analogy at all. Neier 12:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - It's long history makes it notable. Just because the history isn't included in the article yet doesn't mean it should be deleted. --Oakshade 03:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - For what it's worth, my electronic dictionary has an encylopedia built in. Asama Onsen has an entry (only about 65,600 entries in the encyclopedia, according to the home page). Based on this, it is reasonable to think that other print encyclopedias also have articles about Asama Onsen. If anyone knows how to cite a pocket computer, let me know. The pocket-dictionary article is brief, but, does not seem to contradict any of the current text at Asama Onsen. If I ever get to a libray, I could probably get real page numbers. Neier 12:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Following your example I checked my own electronic dictionary (a Canon Wordtank IDF 4000), and sure enough, it's in there. My dictionary has an electronic version of the Kojien as the default Japanese-Japanese dictionary, and judging from the link to your brand, so does yours. So we don't realy need to cite the electronic dictionary, we could cite the Kojien. TomorrowTime 13:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- I was actually looking at ja:マイペディア, which is copyright by Hitachi Systems and Services. I don't know if it is from a hard-copy book or not. The Kojien entry I have does not have much info; but マイペディア has the registered temperature (hotter than what our article says), history, and not much else; but, if they went to the trouble to include it, it is probably notable enough for Wikipedia. Neier 13:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Following your example I checked my own electronic dictionary (a Canon Wordtank IDF 4000), and sure enough, it's in there. My dictionary has an electronic version of the Kojien as the default Japanese-Japanese dictionary, and judging from the link to your brand, so does yours. So we don't realy need to cite the electronic dictionary, we could cite the Kojien. TomorrowTime 13:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep — According to the Japan National Tourist Organization (JNTO), it is "one of the most popular hot springs in Nagano". That's strong proof that the place is notable in Japan.--Endroit 01:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
